3000pt Ravenwing Protocol

[WolfLogic]

What I've posted is only 2750pt, and I was thinking about giving the Praetor a command squad or running a Fire Raptor. I haven't quite decided yet and would like some feedback. Another thing I am unsure on is if this list is too spammy. I really like the idea of a Ravenwing army but wasn't entirely sure how to diversify it. Feedback on if this list is fine or if I should change some things up would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

++  Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2,750pts] ++

 

+ HQ + 570pt

 

Chaplain: Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Armour (Centurion/Consul), Power Maul, Rad Grenades, Refractor Field

. Consul: Chaplain

. Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion: Heavy Bolter, Molecular Acid Shells

 

Praetor, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Rad Grenades

. Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion: Heavy Bolter, Molecular Acid Shells

 

Primus Medicae: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Power Armour (Centurion/Consul), Rad Grenades, Refractor Field

. Consul

. . Primus Medicae

. Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion: Heavy Bolter, Molecular Acid Shells

 

+ Troops + 1185pt

 

Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron, Legion: 3x Heavy Bolter, Molecular Acid Shells, 3x Space Marine Sky Hunters

. Standard Wargear

. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

. Upgrade One Model to a Sky Hunter Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

 

Outrider Squad, Legion: 3x Space Marine Outrider, Legion, Twin-linked Plasma gun

. Standard Wargear

. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

. Upgrade One Model to an Outrider Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

 

Outrider Squad, Legion: 3x Space Marine Outrider, Legion, Twin-linked Plasma gun

. Standard Wargear

. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

. Upgrade One Model to an Outrider Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

 

Outrider Squad, Legion: 3x Space Marine Outrider, Legion, Twin-linked Plasma gun

. Standard Wargear

. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

. Upgrade One Model to an Outrider Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

 

Outrider Squad, Legion: 3x Space Marine Outrider, Legion, Twin-linked Plasma gun

. Standard Wargear

. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

. Upgrade One Model to an Outrider Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

 

Outrider Squad, Legion: 3x Space Marine Outrider, Legion, Twin-linked Plasma gun

. Standard Wargear

. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

. Upgrade One Model to an Outrider Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

 

+ Fast Attack + 595pt

 

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion

. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Heavy Bolter, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher

. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Heavy Bolter, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher

. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Heavy Bolter, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher

 

Xiphon Interceptor: Ground-tracking Auguries, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon

 

Xiphon Interceptor: Ground-tracking Auguries, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon

 

+ Heavy Support + 400pt

 

Jetbike Sky Slayer Support Squadron, Legion: Multi-melta, 3x Space Marine Sky Slayers

. One Sky Slayer may be upgraded to a Sky Slayer Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

. Standard Wargear

. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

 

Jetbike Sky Slayer Support Squadron, Legion: Multi-melta, 3x Space Marine Sky Slayers

. One Sky Slayer may be upgraded to a Sky Slayer Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Calibanite War Blade, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades

. Standard Wargear

. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades

 

+ Allegiance +

 

Legion and Allegiance:    I: Dark Angels, Loyalist

 

Rite of War: Ravenwing Protocol

 

+ Use Playtest Rules +

 

Use Playtest Rules: Playtest Rules Off

 

++ Total: [2,750pts] ++

[Lautrec the Embraced]

Greetings,

I'm not well versed in Dark Angels Tactics but I'll try to provide some input.

 

First of all, Fire Raptor all the way!

 

Now, I don't rhink that this list is too spammy, though it seems that way. After all 'the spam' is just 15 bikers that, when put in 2-3 squads, would seem very much in order.

 

But here I start to have a problem. How much do those Outriders cost? My quick approximation is around 200pts... for 3 men. It's incredibly expensive, and in my humble opinion way to expensive to make its points back. Some squad might get lucky but I don't believe that 5 squads are necessary as most of them will fail to earn their points back.

 

Now, you slapped Warblade and Melta and Rad Nades on every living thing you could. Flexible but oh so expensive. And I for one don't think you should be charging with those guys, unless to finish of some stragglers. Maybe you want to stack the Rad effect but it's still very steep price for only dubious result.

 

Let's make a hypothetical duel. Your Outrider sergeant charges into (my) normal sarge. You got Rad Nades, higher toughness, charge bonus and even Stasis shell if you want. My got nothing, no bonuses, not even a legion rule. Just his trusty Axe and standard Artificer Armour.

 

With 4 atttacks hitting on 3 wounding on 2 on higher I you deal 0 37 wound.

And if enemy survives then he deals you twice as much hurt with 0.75 wound.

 

To really use Rad Nades you need to be powerful hitters. 3 guys with 1 sword just aren't. I would suggest this. Take a few of those smaller squad but maybe drop most of the upgrades, just stick to shooting. Same goes for Sky slayers. Then merge 2-3 into one powerful melee squad. Give them extra power weapons, maybe drop plasmas as it will net you so many points for additional bikers. And of course Rad grenades are auto-include for them. And then you could stick the chaplain here.

 

So in general I'd save a ton of points by not going overboard with sarges. You don't even have to pay those extra points for them on the small, 3 member squads. It's better to make some dedicated melee fighters and keep the rest cheaper. You don't have any melee big boys right now. I'd consider either large melee bike squads or maybe some Legion specific squad in a dreadclaw.

 

Praetor already has 2+ save and therefore one could consider a bike instead of a jetbike, it frees 20 pts.

 

Heavy Bolter doesn't complement Missile Lauchner (unless you fire Frag) on Javelins but in general I'd swap them for Meltas and/or add cheaply priced HKMissiles.

 

Oh and lastly I'm surprised to see no Stasis shell whatsoever.