Points Leak and Comments

[Coolbeans]

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/hqc7nf/new_deathguard_points/

 

HQ

 

Chaos Lord 74->80

Chaos Lord in Term 95->95

DP of Nurgle 146->150

DP of Nurgle with Wings 180->185

Lord of Contagion 95->100

Malignant Plaguecaster 95->100

Sorcerer 80->90

Sorcer in Term 100->105

 

Named characters

Mortarion 470->490

Typhus 155->165

 

Troops

 

Cultists 4->6

Plague Marines 16->18

Poxwalkers 5->7

 

Elites

 

Biologus Putrifier 60->65

Blightlord Terminator 34->35

Deathshroud Terminator 25->32

Foul Blightspawn 77->85

Helbrute 60->70

Noxious Blightbringer 50->55

Plague Surgeon 54->60

Possessed 17->20

Tallyman 50->55

 

Fast Attack

 

Chaos Spawn 20->23

Foetid Bloat-brone 99->115

Myphitic Blighthauler 60->55

 

Heavy Support

 

Chaos Land Raider 180->175

Chaos Predator 85->90

Defiler 120->120

Plagueburst Crawler 100->130

 

Transport

 

Rhino 65->75

 

Death Guard ranged weapons

 

Autogun 0->0

Autopistol 0->0

Battle Cannon 0->0

Bilespurt 0->0

Blight Grenade 0->0

Blight Launcher 10->10

Boltgun 0->0

Boltpistol 0->0

Combi-bolter 2->3

Combi-flamer 8->10

Combi-melta 15->10

Combi-plasma 11->10

Entropy Cannon 15->15

Flamer 6->5

Havoc Launcher 6->5

Heavy Blight Launcher 35->25

Heavy Bolter 10->10

Heavy Flamer 14->10

Heavy Slugger 0->0

Heavy Stubber 2->5

Helbrute Plasmacannon 16->20

Hyper blightgrenade 0->0

Injector Pistol 0->0

Krak Grenade 0->0

Lascannon 25->20

Meltagun 14->10

Missile Launcher 20->20

Multi-Melta 22->25

Plague Belcher 7->5

Plagueburst Mortar 0->0

Plague spewer 15->10

Plague spitter 17->20

Plague sprayer 0->0

Plaguespurt gauntlet 0->0

Plasma gun 11->10

Plasma pistol 5->5

Predator autocannon 40->40

Reaper autocannon 10->10

Rothail volleygun 12->5

Shotgun 0->0

Twin heavy-bolter 17->30

Twin heavy-flamer 28->30

Twin lascannon 40->40

 

Death Guard Melee Weapons

 

Balesword 6->5

Brutal assault weapon 0->0

Bubotic axe 5->5

Chainaxe 1->1

Chainfist 11->10

Chainsword 0->0

Corrupted staff 0->0

Cursed plaguebell 0->0

Daemonic Axe 10->10

Defiler Claws 0->0

Defiler Scourge 12->10

Flail of Corruption 10->15

Fleshmower 12->10

Force Axe 12->0

Force Stave 8->0

Force Sword 8->0

Gnashing maw 0->0

Great Plague Cleaver 15->15

Helbrute fist 20/30->20/30

Helbrute hammer 30->30

Helforged sword 10->10

Hideous mutations 0->0

Horrifying mutations 0->0

Improvised weapon 0->0

Lightning Claw 6/10->5/10

Mace of Contagion 7->5

Malefic talons 0/10->0/15

Manreaper 17->15

Plague knife 0->0

Plague probe 5->0

Plague sword 1->0

Plague reaper 20->20

Power axe 5->5

Power fist 9->10

Power maul 4->5

Power scourge 25->25

Power sword 4->5

 

Other Wargear

 

Icon of despair 10->10

 

Edit: Removed spacings and added previous points cost for comparison. If I got one wrong (I did it all on mobile phone) let me know and I'll correct it!

Edited July 13, 2020 by Coolbeans

[angrom]

Ho well, our only good shooting options when through the moon for no reasons

(leviathan and deredeos).

And our overcosted troops are still overcosted.

Big winners are terminators

[angrom]

Chaos butcher leviathan 410 pts whereas loyal one with same loadout and better in every ways 350 ..... yep totally normal.

How can they justify at 14 wounds dread to cost the same as a Fu$$ing Titan

[TrawlingCleaner]

The Bad:

PM and Pox walkers up to 18ppm and 7ppm respectively. They didn't need to be changed that much imo, up a point each max would have been fine

Bloat drones are up 16 points each base, why? No blast, fly doesn't do anything for shooting anymore, sure they can shoot but they shouln't be taxed that much, plaguespitters are up to 20 points EACH now too. ouch

PBC went up to 170 points with Plaguespitters, I think these will take a back seat now especially looking at Defilers which have the range, the durability and the melee

 

The middle ground:

Combi plas etc all went to 10 points, which is an indirect nerf to the flamer version not that many people used them

+5 points on the winged demon prince, people will still take them

Typhus up to 165, again not needed and a bit of a weird choice imo, he's already stupid expensive for what is essentially a psychic power tax

 

The good:

Our elite characters didn't really get touched, foul blightspawn now up to 85 points (imo still an autotake due to the aura and how much that will dissuade chargers)

Deathshroud down 3 ppm

Blightlords only up 1ppm and combibolters up 1ppm (roughly 4 points per squad with the normal loadout). I think Terminators are big winners across all factions which is cool

Morty only up 20, I think this is a good thing because other LoW choices bar the Chaos ones got absolutely whacked by this points change

 

I don't think our lists will chnage that much, with the annoucment of a lot of the 9th chnages I was already leaning into trying out the defiler as I said above it does a lot of things well and now it hasn't been increased in points I think  we could see it more

[Coolbeans]

I edited the original post to reduce spacing and added original costs. Edited July 13, 2020 by Coolbeans

[TrawlingCleaner]

I edited the original post to reduce spacing and added original costs. The bloat Drone used to have to pay 25pts for the probe, that went away. So mine with the two spitters went down 3pts actually.

The base drone points is now 115 (up 16), 2 spiters are now 20 points each so drone with spitters is now up 24 points (was 138 now 155)

[Coolbeans]

 

 

I edited the original post to reduce spacing and added original costs. The bloat Drone used to have to pay 25pts for the probe, that went away. So mine with the two spitters went down 3pts actually.

The base drone points is now 115 (up 16), 2 spiters are now 20 points each so drone with spitters is now up 24 points (was 138 now 155)

You're right, I accidentally typed a 2 infront of the probe when I added original costs haha. My bad.

[Coolbeans]

If anyone has a link to the forge world point changes I'd appreciate it.

[happyslugger]

Morty at 490 is a joke surely?

[Coolbeans]

From my understand most armies went up on average 17.5%. Thousand Sons and Death Guard went up the least from what I've been reading. Morty only went up less than 5%. That's not too bad.

[happyslugger]

He was useless at 470...I am guessing my DG will be on the shelf for 9th at these points.

 

Guess I'll be playing primaris blood angels, custodes and Harlequins as we move into 9th.

Edited July 13, 2020 by happyslugger

[BlueBiscuit Raider]

WTH? Why are the deathshroud going UP in cost? No one ever used them anyway?

18 for a PM when for a couple points more you get the 2w basic intercesseor is still the most disgraceful of comparisons. Especially with the increase to their best gear choice, the flail.

The Drones and the PBC going up are what hurts the most my lists, combined with the changes to fliers falling back.

[Coolbeans]

I see the chaos Decimator went up 10 and butcher cannons went up 10. So if you want a double butcher cannon Decimator it went from 140 to 170. I want to try them over dreads, as they benefit from the relic and can get 4++.

[Bulwyf]

This was ouch worthy. The Levi with dual butcher cannon arrays now costs as much as a freaking primarch. Insane! The loyalist version that is better is 60 points CHEAPER. What the hell?

 

I also can't believe Morty and Deathshroud went UP in points. They were already not playable. Why would you play them now?

[Special Officer Doofy]

Well the OP mentioned, and you can also check goonhammer, almost everyone else went up more than DG. I'm not thrilled, but it could be worse.

 

I'm also not a fan of FW in regular 2k games of 40k so it does not bother me as much. Still, should be equal if not less than our loyalist counterparts.

Edited July 14, 2020 by Putrid Choir

[Special Officer Doofy]

I want to convert a defiler now. 120 base, 10 for reaper autocannon, 5 for havoc. 135pts and can move and shoot heavies no penalty now, and can give it DR for 2cp. Not too shabby. Can get 4++ with the relic. I got extra bloat Drone bodies and some dunecrawler legs. Hmmmm

[Lord_Caerolion]

At least my Terminator Sorceror is cheaper, now that he's not paying for his axe?

[TrawlingCleaner]

I'm in the Same boat as Putrid Choir, I'm not thrilled with the changes but I think we got off super lightly compared to other armies. Below the average increases and a point reduction or two. I said it before in this thread but I think we're going to see a lot more Defilers now, they were already looking quite tasty before their points weren't increased.

 

I think DG are going to be the army to beat with being able to take the mid field and hold it all game

[Special Officer Doofy]

I'm in the Same boat as Putrid Choir, I'm not thrilled with the changes but I think we got off super lightly compared to other armies. Below the average increases and a point reduction or two. I said it before in this thread but I think we're going to see a lot more Defilers now, they were already looking quite tasty before their points weren't increased.

 

I think DG are going to be the army to beat with being able to take the mid field and hold it all game

The one nice thing about point costs increases across the board is less units. Less units mean our units last longer. We are the slowest army in the game with only mediocre firepower. Our staying power has to be number one to offset that.

[Plague _Lord]

Twin heavy bolter going up by 13? golly gee? So my Land Radier went up by 8... Still gonna take it.

[Special Officer Doofy]

Twin heavy bolter going up by 13? golly gee? So my Land Radier went up by 8... Still gonna take it.

You spend the 2cp to give it DR?

[Bulwyf]

I've used blight haulers in most of my games. I think our little Nurgle pups are going to be better in 9th. They are such a unique unit that can hit a little hard for both anti tank and infantry and can actually melee well with the maw.

[Plague _Lord]

 

Twin heavy bolter going up by 13? golly gee? So my Land Radier went up by 8... Still gonna take it.

You spend the 2cp to give it DR?

Yeah It's carrying 9 plague marines with Nade-man so I want it to live... On the otherhand I have only lost the LR once during the last 3 tournaments I attended so am not sure if I need it + Bellman 5++ relic...

 

I like the firepower it brongs but for what it does now it's like 30-40 points overcosted. If we could assault out of it after it moved then I would be happy to pay what I am paying now.

[Brother Crimson]

MBH went down in points, get 9th edition rule treatment for shooting into combat and synergy with plague companies. I always thought they were missing a little something but maybe they have it now.

I thinks the PBC is still in a good place at 170, not having penalties to shoot after moving and flaming into melee is quite nice.

I don’t get the 6 pts cultist, 7 points poxwalker also seems a bit high. Quite sad for those armies.

My guess for early 9th is that it’s going to be tanks, engines and more tanks.