POTMS will do something different! -GW

[emperorpants]

So GW lied. Not surprised at all. They simply deleted power of the machine spirit, after saying the ability would do something different. Way to lie GW.

[Cruor Vault]

I'm out of the loop, where did you see this?

[HighMarshalAmp]

Give it time, it might come back in the next iteration of Codices when it's clear how vehicles fare.

Or not.

 

I'm out of the loop, where did you see this?

The FAQs are out since earlier today.

Edit: 'ere's ours

Edited July 13, 2020 by HighMarshalAmp

[emperorpants]

I'm out of the loop, where did you see this?

It's in the space marine FAQ that dropped today.

[emperorpants]

Give it time, it might come back in the next iteration of Codices when it's clear how vehicles fare.

Or not.

 

 

I'm out of the loop, where did you see this?

 

The FAQs are out since earlier today.

Edit: 'ere's ours

GW straight up lied. Seems to be a growing trend. If they were going to change it they would have now, it would have been easy to do. Instead they straight up deleted the ability. What, are they going to say to undelete it later? Unlikely. After the Indomitus disaster im not giving GW the benefit of the doubt on anything anymore. Edited July 13, 2020 by emperorpants

[CCE1981]

They MIGHT be referring to the 9th edition Codex. Not holding my breath.

[Cruor Vault]

 

Give it time, it might come back in the next iteration of Codices when it's clear how vehicles fare.

Or not.

 

I'm out of the loop, where did you see this?

The FAQs are out since earlier today.

Edit: 'ere's ours

GW straight up lied. Seems to be a growing trend. If they were going to change it they would have now, it would have been easy to do. Instead they straight up deleted the ability. What, are they going to say to undelete it later? Unlikely. After the Indomitus disaster im not giving GW the benefit of the doubt on anything anymore.

 

 

It's entirely possible that POTMS will return in the 9th edition Codex...  which is seemingly increasingly likely to be this fall's "Big Release" with the huge number of previewed marine units.

[Minsc]

We're in a transition period between editions and codexes. 

Word around the block is that we'll get a new codex fairly soon, and I'd bet money on PotMS being a thing again (with different rules) in that codex.

[Llagos_Tyrant]

Where is the idea of a 9th edition Space Marine codex coming in the fall coming from? I feel like I've barely had a chance to use the last one with painting up units and then COVID.

 

Edit: Not to derail the conversation, although this is off-topic.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Llagos_Tyrant

[Sword Brother Adelard]

The sheer volume of new units, the weird holding position between the indomitus wargear and the codex wargear (storm shields doing different things on different units) some of the playtesters basically saying it's coming like a freight train.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Speculation.

[emperorpants]

Black blow fly is right, saying that POTMS will be in the next codex is simply speculation. All we can go on is what we know right now. They said that POTMS would do something different. Instead they just deleted it. They lied. Full stop. It would have been easy to change it now in the faq. They didnt.

[Lord Raven 19]

To be fair, nothing is something different to what it did before.

[Brother Kraskor]

To be fair, nothing is something different to what it did before.

 

Made me chuckle.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Me too.

[Inquisitor lorr]

Black blow fly is right, saying that POTMS will be in the next codex is simply speculation. All we can go on is what we know right now. They said that POTMS would do something different. Instead they just deleted it. They lied. Full stop. It would have been easy to change it now in the faq. They didnt.

They didn’t lie. Or, at least, you cannot equivocally say that yet. They likely deleted it as it’s redundant and rather than deal with the possible unintended consequence of changing across the board, or deal with interim balance issues, they have likely dealt with it as a stop gap.

 

If the 9th edition codex lands and it doesn’t do anything different/isn’t included then you can throw your toys out the pram then. Ridiculous to do so now.

[emperorpants]

 

Black blow fly is right, saying that POTMS will be in the next codex is simply speculation. All we can go on is what we know right now. They said that POTMS would do something different. Instead they just deleted it. They lied. Full stop. It would have been easy to change it now in the faq. They didnt.

They didn’t lie. Or, at least, you cannot equivocally say that yet. They likely deleted it as it’s redundant and rather than deal with the possible unintended consequence of changing across the board, or deal with interim balance issues, they have likely dealt with it as a stop gap.

If the 9th edition codex lands and it doesn’t do anything different/isn’t included then you can throw your toys out the pram then. Ridiculous to do so now.

Then they should have said it was going to be deleted. You don't say "It's going to do something different" and then delete it. You say "Its not going to be in the game in the immediate future." Instead you think we should just go "well, maybe they will change it in a unconfirmed codex release for army that got a new codex less than a year ago?"

 

Also, take your insults elsewhere. It doesn't help your position or make you look cool. Stick to the discussion. Your post was fine until you decided to get insulting.

[Subtleknife]

To be fair it does do something different...

[Inquisitor lorr]

 

 

Black blow fly is right, saying that POTMS will be in the next codex is simply speculation. All we can go on is what we know right now. They said that POTMS would do something different. Instead they just deleted it. They lied. Full stop. It would have been easy to change it now in the faq. They didnt.

They didn’t lie. Or, at least, you cannot equivocally say that yet. They likely deleted it as it’s redundant and rather than deal with the possible unintended consequence of changing across the board, or deal with interim balance issues, they have likely dealt with it as a stop gap.

If the 9th edition codex lands and it doesn’t do anything different/isn’t included then you can throw your toys out the pram then. Ridiculous to do so now.

Then they should have said it was going to be deleted. You don't say "It's going to do something different" and then delete it. You say "Its not going to be in the game in the immediate future." Instead you think we should just go "well, maybe they will change it in a unconfirmed codex release for army that got a new codex less than a year ago?"

 

Also, take your insults elsewhere. It doesn't help your position or make you look cool. Stick to the discussion. Your post was fine until you decided to get insulting.

The constant GW bashing over every single tiny point is SO boring. They have clearly put out some FAQs to transition 8th codices into 9th before the full 9th codices are out. They have not yet lied. They have yet to fulfil the intention they expressed. Simple.

[Rik Lightstar]

Yeah, if this situation stays the same until 10th edition then it'll be a lie.

 

They said Power of the Machine Spirit will do something different in 9th edition, there WILL be a 9th ediCodex for Space Marines and there has been a POTMS rule for 20+ years, it'll be back.

 

Rik

[Hymnblade]

I don't think it's worth characterizing this as a lie. GW is an organization, not a person; one person can say something, and another person can do something else, and these might contradict each other due to poor internal communication.

[emperorpants]

 

 

 

Black blow fly is right, saying that POTMS will be in the next codex is simply speculation. All we can go on is what we know right now. They said that POTMS would do something different. Instead they just deleted it. They lied. Full stop. It would have been easy to change it now in the faq. They didnt.

They didn’t lie. Or, at least, you cannot equivocally say that yet. They likely deleted it as it’s redundant and rather than deal with the possible unintended consequence of changing across the board, or deal with interim balance issues, they have likely dealt with it as a stop gap.

If the 9th edition codex lands and it doesn’t do anything different/isn’t included then you can throw your toys out the pram then. Ridiculous to do so now.

Then they should have said it was going to be deleted. You don't say "It's going to do something different" and then delete it. You say "Its not going to be in the game in the immediate future." Instead you think we should just go "well, maybe they will change it in a unconfirmed codex release for army that got a new codex less than a year ago?"

Also, take your insults elsewhere. It doesn't help your position or make you look cool. Stick to the discussion. Your post was fine until you decided to get insulting.

The constant GW bashing over every single tiny point is SO boring. They have clearly put out some FAQs to transition 8th codices into 9th before the full 9th codices are out. They have not yet lied. They have yet to fulfil the intention they expressed. Simple.

Again: it's going to be deleted for the immediate future. That is what you say.

 

Maybe you are right and maybe you aren't. The space marine codex hasn't been out for a year yet, it seems strange we will get it anytime soon. So they said it will do something different and then delete it for over half a year? That seems like a lie to me. When they say "it will do something different" the understanding is that it will do so when 9th launches, not whenever a new codex for an army that just got a new codex launches.

 

You know what I find annoying? The constant white knighting for everything that GW does, no matter what they do. You know what I don't do? Insult people who do it. So take that out of thread, therein no place for it here. When you insult it detracts from your argument and makes you look childish.

 

Also, I personally always try to be fair and objective. I changed my stance on GW after they announced that they will do more Indomitus sets for everyone who wants one. That is a great move, and good on GW for doing it. However, that doesn't mean anyone should just assume everything GW does is great and they should never be called out ever. Again, if someone does that though I won't insult. Can you say the same?

[Inquisitor lorr]

 

 

 

 

Black blow fly is right, saying that POTMS will be in the next codex is simply speculation. All we can go on is what we know right now. They said that POTMS would do something different. Instead they just deleted it. They lied. Full stop. It would have been easy to change it now in the faq. They didnt.

They didn’t lie. Or, at least, you cannot equivocally say that yet. They likely deleted it as it’s redundant and rather than deal with the possible unintended consequence of changing across the board, or deal with interim balance issues, they have likely dealt with it as a stop gap.

If the 9th edition codex lands and it doesn’t do anything different/isn’t included then you can throw your toys out the pram then. Ridiculous to do so now.

Then they should have said it was going to be deleted. You don't say "It's going to do something different" and then delete it. You say "Its not going to be in the game in the immediate future." Instead you think we should just go "well, maybe they will change it in a unconfirmed codex release for army that got a new codex less than a year ago?"

Also, take your insults elsewhere. It doesn't help your position or make you look cool. Stick to the discussion. Your post was fine until you decided to get insulting.

The constant GW bashing over every single tiny point is SO boring. They have clearly put out some FAQs to transition 8th codices into 9th before the full 9th codices are out. They have not yet lied. They have yet to fulfil the intention they expressed. Simple.

Again: it's going to be deleted for the immediate future. That is what you say.

 

Maybe you are right and maybe you aren't. The space marine codex hasn't been out for a year yet, it seems strange we will get it anytime soon. So they said it will do something different and then delete it for over half a year? That seems like a lie to me. When they say "it will do something different" the understanding is that it will do so when 9th launches, not whenever a new codex for an army that just got a new codex launches.

 

You know what I find annoying? The constant white knighting for everything that GW does, no matter what they do. You know what I don't do? Insult people who do it. So take that out of thread, therein no place for it here. When you insult it detracts from your argument and makes you look childish.

 

Also, I personally always try to be fair and objective. I changed my stance on GW after they announced that they will do more Indomitus sets for everyone who wants one. That is a great move, and good on GW for doing it. However, that doesn't mean anyone should just assume everything GW does is great and they should never be called out ever. Again, if someone does that though I won't insult. Can you say the same?

No white knighting here. You said they lied. By the very definition of the word, they have not. Fact. Not responding further on the issue.

[emperorpants]

 

 

 

 

 

Black blow fly is right, saying that POTMS will be in the next codex is simply speculation. All we can go on is what we know right now. They said that POTMS would do something different. Instead they just deleted it. They lied. Full stop. It would have been easy to change it now in the faq. They didnt.

They didn’t lie. Or, at least, you cannot equivocally say that yet. They likely deleted it as it’s redundant and rather than deal with the possible unintended consequence of changing across the board, or deal with interim balance issues, they have likely dealt with it as a stop gap.

If the 9th edition codex lands and it doesn’t do anything different/isn’t included then you can throw your toys out the pram then. Ridiculous to do so now.

Then they should have said it was going to be deleted. You don't say "It's going to do something different" and then delete it. You say "Its not going to be in the game in the immediate future." Instead you think we should just go "well, maybe they will change it in a unconfirmed codex release for army that got a new codex less than a year ago?"

Also, take your insults elsewhere. It doesn't help your position or make you look cool. Stick to the discussion. Your post was fine until you decided to get insulting.

The constant GW bashing over every single tiny point is SO boring. They have clearly put out some FAQs to transition 8th codices into 9th before the full 9th codices are out. They have not yet lied. They have yet to fulfil the intention they expressed. Simple.

Again: it's going to be deleted for the immediate future. That is what you say.

Maybe you are right and maybe you aren't. The space marine codex hasn't been out for a year yet, it seems strange we will get it anytime soon. So they said it will do something different and then delete it for over half a year? That seems like a lie to me. When they say "it will do something different" the understanding is that it will do so when 9th launches, not whenever a new codex for an army that just got a new codex launches.

You know what I find annoying? The constant white knighting for everything that GW does, no matter what they do. You know what I don't do? Insult people who do it. So take that out of thread, therein no place for it here. When you insult it detracts from your argument and makes you look childish.

Also, I personally always try to be fair and objective. I changed my stance on GW after they announced that they will do more Indomitus sets for everyone who wants one. That is a great move, and good on GW for doing it. However, that doesn't mean anyone should just assume everything GW does is great and they should never be called out ever. Again, if someone does that though I won't insult. Can you say the same?

No white knighting here. You said they lied. By the very definition of the word, they have not. Fact. Not responding further on the issue.

I never directly said you were white knighting. Fact. Quote where i said you personally where white knighting. I didnt. Fact.

Just using your own way of excusing GW against you. You just illustrated my point. Fact. You got called out for insulting and have no defense for it. Fact.

Edited July 13, 2020 by emperorpants

[Brother Tyler]

So GW lied...

Where and when did GW say that Power of the Machine Spirit would do something different? Do you have a link? And can you quote their exact words?

 

I've gone through all of the faction focus articles for the Adeptus Astartes/Heretic Astartes as well as the Tanks are Back on Track article at Warhammer Community, and none of those mention Power of the Machine Spirit doing something different. My assumption, then, is that you heard/read the alleged promise in a webcast or some other source that I haven't checked.