Plastic Heresy Spitballing - [BASELESS SPECULATION]

[sarabando]

I think they already partially had to address this issue with MK III as well. The back of MK III has the same detail as MK II, and you can see that they split one of the legs off.

 

It's sort of an intermediate between the older style kits and the new primaris kits, which makes sense being only 1-2 years prior to them.

 

So I think with the way they do plastic now, as well as how they cut models now, they could do MK II. It still would need to be a more complicated kit as you said.

aslong as its compatible with all the other kits it would be fine even if it had to be groin + left + right

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

I'm once again fantasising about a re-launched Horus Heresy range with a core of plastic kits & pondering what tanks that might include made me remember the stormcloud attack boxes so here’s a hypothetical "Battle of Tallarn" Iron Hands v Iron Warriors plastic boxed-set

Battle of Tallarn:

The basic idea would be to have a custom ruleset similar to the stormcloud attack stuff/ Betrayal at Calth & Burning of Prospero ruleset that'd allow you to have some interesting games with just the included minis, but for the Age of Darkness system, both a Proteus Land Raider & Lascannon Sicaran are rougly 200 points, and a Sabre with 4 missiles plus the autocannon is roughly 90 as is a heavy bolter/ autocannon Predator so you've got a relatively balanced force (at least for points). In terms of the factions, the Iron Hands and the Iron Warriors are the big two tank Legions so I thought it's be appropriate to have them facing off and Tallarn is the perfect setting.

Looking at the actual minis, I think these four are all relatively feasible in plastic given what we've seen from how well the Titanicus kits are broken down/ packed onto the sprue, and having cupola crew members in a different pattern of power armour for each different tank would be neat (MkIV for the Sicaran, MkIII for the Proteus & MkII for the Predator, maybe no crewmember for the Sabre?) plus it'd allow for the pintle weapons to be spread around the 4 kits a bit while enabling overall variety. For variants, I'd hope the Land Raider could be built in a way that included options for both the basic Proteus and the Armoured Proteus, and I've looked at the Sicaran turrets and I think both the base Sicaran and the Arcus share a similar enough design that allowing for both from the same kit should be feasible (along with both sets of sponsons). For the Predator, I imagine in addition to the three sponson types, the turret autocannon & plasma executioner would probably fit, although the remaining 3 turret weapons would probably be dictated by sprue space (plus the sponson lascannons could probably double as the destructor for 40k) - the Sabre's options really depend on how small the sprue would be, if you wanted it on a smaller frame it's possible the 4 missiles, autocannon & heavy bolter would be the only available build.

Anyway, these were just the 4 tank kits I thought might feasibly be moved over to plastic were a core-plastic Heresy re-launch ever to happen, and they can actually build a nice little Armoured Breakthrough Allied detachment if you use the Sicaran as the Master of Armour so not a bad grab for Legion players.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Iron Hands Fanatic

[sarabando]

a plastic boxed tank game would be ace i think something like 3 plastic Diemos preds vs a mk2b land raider and 2 units of Cataphractii or something. but i think a better option would be something like 2 Diemos preds and a MK2b LR vs 2 Aurox and 4o plastic Solar auxilia

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

If plastic deimos predators come out, I will be beyond ecstatic. Same with Sicarans. Tank army for DAYS.

[Gederas]

IHF.... That idea would be amazing. I'm in agreement with Hungry Nostraman Lizard. I'd link an Archer gif, but I think I'd get in trouble for it :lol:

But everyone knows which one I'm talking about ;)

[MegaVolt87]

That DIY ad mech starter would be legal for HH zone mortalis ? Was hoping to see a HH zone motalis bundle instead of a necromunda one at the time.

[sarabando]

That DIY ad mech starter would be legal for HH zone mortalis ? Was hoping to see a HH zone motalis bundle instead of a necromunda one at the time.

ZM box would be the best place to introduce breachers and a mkIV Casterferrum

[SkimaskMohawk]

I mean at the price point of the plastic stuff a lot of the incentive for plastic was lost. The ZM dream was for it to be accessible and money is the main determination of accessibility.

 

I can't see any plastic ZM starter being worthwhile as its likely to be so inflated due to the terrain.

[NiftyVT]

I mean at the price point of the plastic stuff a lot of the incentive for plastic was lost. The ZM dream was for it to be accessible and money is the main determination of accessibility.

 

I can't see any plastic ZM starter being worthwhile as its likely to be so inflated due to the terrain.

 

GW can easily do card tiles as they have done for Necromunda and other flat card that can be used to denote walls and then plastic doors and barricades. Yeah, it would basically be a 2D set up but that would work for a intro box set. I think I would look very much like the Necromunda boxes just with different minis and rules.

Edited January 11, 2021 by NiftyVT

[sarabando]

 

I mean at the price point of the plastic stuff a lot of the incentive for plastic was lost. The ZM dream was for it to be accessible and money is the main determination of accessibility.

 

I can't see any plastic ZM starter being worthwhile as its likely to be so inflated due to the terrain.

 

GW can easily do card tiles as they have done for Necromunda and other flat card that can be used to denote walls and then plastic doors and barricades. Yeah, it would basically be a 2D set up but that would work for a intro box set. I think I would look very much like the Necromunda boxes just with different minis and rules.

 

do two sets one with the necromunda stuff at a obvs higher price as a limited release and then one with card tiles ala space hulk

[Prim]

At this stage, several years after BaC and BoP, any new plastics would be met with unbridled enthusiasm from the HH community and would probably help introduce a few new players to the scene. There are so many options they could convert over from resin that would sell well, I'd be hard pressed to make an ideal boxed set wishlist.

 

Has there ever been a unified attempt at a mass email campaign asking GW to produce more plastics? I always make a point to mention it when they do a survey, but I doubt they read everyone's comments.

[sarabando]

A MK4 assault marine kit would be the smartest kit financially. They already have the MK4 models in cad and the packs from the sanguinary guard. It would sell like hotcakes as people love the MK4 jump pack. Although the big one I'd also like to see is demon angron which would be able.to pull double duty with 40k.

[LameBeard]

A MK4 assault marine kit would be the smartest kit financially. They already have the MK4 models in cad and the packs from the sanguinary guard. It would sell like hotcakes as people love the MK4 jump pack. Although the big one I'd also like to see is demon angron which would be able.to pull double duty with 40k.

This is the issue. With the move to Primaris including “Primaris vehicles” the prospect of double-duty is now much lower. It may even be the best we can hope for in plastic heresy is something non-astartes.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I don't see that fear, they put out plastic kits for Necromunda and other SGs all the time. HH could justify plastic kits all on its own, but it would require a reorganization.

 

We're not going to see the full line be plastic, but core kits, absolutely. Those MK IV assault marines for example are good candidates, some of those models are quite aged now and are due a replacement at some point.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

 

That DIY ad mech starter would be legal for HH zone mortalis ? Was hoping to see a HH zone motalis bundle instead of a necromunda one at the time.

ZM box would be the best place to introduce breachers and a mkIV Casterferr

 

I've had a lil' think about how both Betrayal at Calth & Burning of Prospero were released to coincide with current 30k Black Books after someone mentioned whether having similar boxes to cover all the Legions would be an interesting approach and breachers & a boxnought (plus a rapier or two?) would be a neat base for a Battle of Phall set:

 

• Thramas Crusade: Dark Angels vs Night Lords
• Battle of Phall: Imperial Fists vs Iron Warriors
• Chondax Campaign: White Scars vs Alpha Legion
• Dropsite Massacre: Iron Hands vs Emperor's Children
• Flight of the Raven: Raven Guard vs World Eaters
• Beta-Garmon Conflict: Blood Angels vs Sons of Horus
• Manachean War: Salamanders vs Death Guard
•  

 

 

A MK4 assault marine kit would be the smartest kit financially. They already have the MK4 models in cad and the packs from the sanguinary guard. It would sell like hotcakes as people love the MK4 jump pack. Although the big one I'd also like to see is demon angron which would be able.to pull double duty with 40k.

This is the issue. With the move to Primaris including “Primaris vehicles” the prospect of double-duty is now much lower. It may even be the best we can hope for in plastic heresy is something non-astartes.

 

 

I do have a sneaking suspicion that FW may have some kind of moratorium on producing plastic 30k Legion kits until the 40k 'oldmarine' range has been fully retired, so that they aren't directly competing with existing kits for effectively the same unit, but only time will tell

Edited January 12, 2021 by Iron Hands Fanatic

[WrathOfTheLion]

I'd almost rather they didn't bother to make a starter box contemporary. An Istvaan III box set would be a great introduction.

[LameBeard]

@Wrath of the Lion made me feel better about plastic prospects. And I love the idea of Tallarn from @Iron Hands Fanatic, but I think they are actually more likely to do tank battle as an expansion/companion game to Adeptus Titanicus. Which is of course what they did more than 30 years ago. And I would love 10mm (or whatever it’s meant to be) scale land raiders and predators to fight tank battles. I could even get a super-heavy!

 

My idea for Heresy Plastic is inspired by whoever in this thread pointed out the missed trick with the Sisters Rhino. Imagine a Land Raider proteus which does double-duty as Heresy Astartes or 40K Inquisition. And box that with one heresy infantry unit + one character.

 

In fact, they are at liberty to use existing plastic heresy unit and re-release Greigor/Ahriman. They have the decal set, they have the moulds and it would be a bit like them releasing the “Stormcast half” or “Khorne half” of the Sigmar starter. It could be a bit of a discount but not as massive, or require as much “board game rules investment” as a full starter kit.

[Gorthaur]

Been a while since I had any enthusiasm for the HH. But I had a bit of a nostalgia trip recently pulling out my old collection. I think the over reliance on resin in the range and the expense whittled down my enthusiasm over time. But if they were ever to do more stuff in plastic, mk II marines would be my first choice. Especially since the resin version has long been discontinued. The mk II armor is heavily featured in the artwork and to me was the standard armor of early HH marines. Mk III is basically just up armored mk II, but mk II would have been more commonly seen early on in the heresy.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Hello this is absolutely nothing of substance but with the rumours/ predictions that the plastic 30k range is gonna cover the majority of non legion-specific kits I have returned to my fevered dreams of hypothetical combat patrol sized boxes based around each armour mark as a way to get into 30k - now I'm the 1st to admit this'll never happed as it'd let folks collect the core of their force with a significant discount but it's been a fun way of helping me categorize what plastic kits we might see.

 

The idea with these isn't necessarily to provide and instant, game-legal force as with the 40k combat patrols (given the size of Legion troop choices they'd be very samey boxes) but to provide a mixed starter with the core tactical/ veteran box for each mark (like we have for MkIV & MkIII) and add on appropriate specialist units that match the mark or armour, as well as a consul so folks who want to collect a single-mark force have an easy pick.

 

This also covers most of the squad-sized non-terminator marine units, excluding support & heavy support squads which are probably better served with plastic upgrade sets that can be used with any of the legion tactical boxes.

 

MkII Combat Patrol:

* MkII Champion-Consul
* 10 x MkII Tactical Marines
* 10 x MkII Assault Marines
* MkII Command Squad (3-5 minis)

 

MkIII Combat Patrol:

 

* MkIII Siege Breaker Consul

* 10 x MkIII Tactical Marines
* 10 x MkIII Breacher Marines
* Rapier Carrier with MkIII Crew
 

MkIV Combat Patrol:

 

* MkIV Moritat Consul
* 10 x MkIV Tactical Marines
* 5 x MkIV Destroyers (possible alt build as assault marines but you'd need 2 sets for a legal squad)
* 3 x MkIV Outrider Bikers 
* 3 x MkIV Jetbikes 

 

MkV Combat Patrol:

 

* MkV Librarian/ Esoterist Consul
* 10 x MkV Tactical Marines
* 5 x MkV Hussars
* 1 MkV Assault Bike

MkVI Combat Patrol:

 

* MkVI Vigilator Consul
* 10 x MkVI Tactical Marines
* 5 x MkVI Recon Marines
* 3 x MkVI Sky Seeker Jetbikes
* 1 x MkVI Land Speeder Proteus

[sarabando]

while id be very happy with all of those i cant see GW making that many boxes for us

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

while id be very happy with all of those i cant see GW making that many boxes for us

 

me neither honestly but it was a fun little thought experiment to see how to fill out each box

[sarabando]

i think at best we would see a loyalist combat patrol and a traitor one. Im also expecting both characters from BoP to make a return.

[MegaVolt87]

i think at best we would see a loyalist combat patrol and a traitor one. Im also expecting both characters from BoP to make a return.

BoP campaign book with those in plastic + mabye a new plastic Custodes character under Valdor? Bonous points if he is setup to be the Captain General after Valdor disappeared in the scouring.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

i think at best we would see a loyalist combat patrol and a traitor one. Im also expecting both characters from BoP to make a return.

 

I honestly doubt there'll be separate traitor/ loyalist combat patrol boxes given the pool of units is pretty much universal between them, although if they did have 2 that'd be an interesting way to market them. Of the plastic kits we currently know about I'd fully expect the MkIV/ III tacticals + one of the terminator sets to appear in a potential starter set, maybe with a deimos rhino if the rumours of plastic core vehicles hold up?

[WrathOfTheLion]

I'm really hoping for a plastic Deimos Rhino. Out of all the things I really just can't be bothered to deal with, is rhinos in a mix of plastic and resin. It is so annoying, one of the main things besides assault marines that needs to be plastic. Again, another one that's annoying enough that I just don't want to do more of until they're plastic.

 

The logistics on the Deimos Rhino have to be horrible for them in resin too. It uses one of the larger vehicle boxes, that could almost certainly be dropped down to the thin size of an impulsor if made as a contemporary plastic kit.

Edited September 6, 2021 by WrathOfTheLion