HallofStovokor Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Apparently, the powers that be at GW decided that vigilus defiant are no longer legal for tournament play. I'm not sure if Guard can field a competitive army anymore without vigilus. It was kind of acting as a band aid helping armies against the power creep from the later codex releases. Sometimes it feels like they can't let Guard player have anything fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 It'll presumably be baked into the next codex in some capacity, though how far out that is, well, we'll see. It wasn't as if Guard were stomping the tournament meta what with Marines being such as they are and that probably won't change with 9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Yes I was gonna post about this earlier I hope we get those WL traits, strats and relics elsewhere Edited July 17, 2020 by duz_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Mor Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Where is that snip from? Is it a matched play rule or just a tournament rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 It's from the matched play missions in Chapter Approved I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 9th is really pushing me away from this game... Krash Edited July 18, 2020 by Captain_Krash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diagramdude Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 This is heresy. Captain_Krash 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinalCookie Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 These aren't from the matched play rules, those are in the main rulebook. This snipped is from the Grand Tournament book, and is a tournament rule only. So a matched play game with your pals can still use specialist detachments, you just wouldn't be able to do it at LVO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuardDaddy Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 You still get the strategems from the vigilus book - there are lots of good ones. I do agree loss of detachments a shame. We need to remember we are in the 'index only' phase of 9th edition...... which for guard meant fearless conscript blobs with commisars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are Verlo Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I for one will not miss the double shooting souped up shokk attack gun from the dreadmob. Good for tournament play the Vigilus detatchments are gone. In friendly matched gaming we can still run them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HallofStovokor Posted July 18, 2020 Author Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) If you think that tournament rules don't dictate how every gaming club plays, you're naive. Remember the rule of 3? It was supposed to be for tournament play, but everyone adopted it because it's clearly how GW wanted everyone to play. Vigilus detachments should have been valid for tournament play until an army gets the new codex. They even promised as much. Edited July 18, 2020 by HallofStovokor Lord Marshal and MegaVolt87 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diagramdude Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 The vigilus stratagems are keyed to the vigilus detachment keywords, so this eliminates those vigilus stratagems. RIP double shooting artillery, hammer of sunderance, advance and double tap russes, and orbital tracker ignore cover artillery relic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 If you think that tournament rules don't dictate how every gaming club plays, you're naive. Remember the rule of 3? It was supposed to be for tournament play, but everyone adopted it because it's clearly how GW wanted everyone to play. Vigilus detachments should have been valid for tournament play until an army gets the new codex. They even promised as much. No they didn't. They promised that all rule books will still be valid in 9th and they are. Just not for this one specific game mode. If you and your friends only play by the most restrictive game mode out of several options that's kinda on you. I also very much disagree that we need them to be competitive. I haven't run any of them in a while and I've been doing just fine. PA has done a lot more for us than Vigilus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthWaffle Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Dang. That's a bummer. Maybe we see them in the newest codex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Dang. That's a bummer. Maybe we see them in the newest codex? That's my hope! Or at least we might see wyvrens with ignore cover again Vigilus is the only reason I dusted mine off last edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HallofStovokor Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 Dang. That's a bummer. Maybe we see them in the newest codex?That's my hope! Or at least we might see wyvrens with ignore cover again Vigilus is the only reason I dusted mine off last edition Agreed. Mortar squads are the better option now. A mortar squad that can be given orders is significantly more important than a wyvern which can only shoot once. Blast rules work better for mortar squads now too. Let's say there's a squad of 10 marines. A wyvern will get a minimum of 4 shots because all 4 mortars are 1 weapon. A mortar squad has 3 separate mortars, so they will do a minimum of 9 shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Titanz0r Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 First, my list increases in points by 25%, then I lose my Conquerors, now I can't even take my Emperor's Blade detachment? I guess being able to issue orders from inside a Chimera without paying CP every turn is just too wild a concept these days. At least we won't see those shenanigans from other factions anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 ... then I lose my Conquerors... You did not. They are updated in the IA Index 9 edition Errata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Titanz0r Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 ... then I lose my Conquerors... You did not. They are updated in the IA Index 9 edition Errata I saw they were mentioned to gain Blast along with everything else, but they weren't mentioned in the Chapter Approved for Forgeworld, so they didn't get updated points values. The Annihilator was included, however. Unless I missed another update somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Where is that damn book? i want to see it myself with my own eyes and without some fortune telling hype-eater 'expert' telling his own wild guesses as if those are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phubar Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Where is that damn book? i want to see it myself with my own eyes and without some fortune telling hype-eater 'expert' telling his own wild guesses as if those are facts. There is nothing more evident than a picture of actual rules, it is like that: no Specialist Dets in the Grand Tournament 2020. You can find the leak in the news forum http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365227-ca2020-grand-tournament-mission-pack-leak/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 There is nothing more evident than a picture of actual rules, it is like that: no Specialist Dets in the Grand Tournament 2020. You can find the leak in the news forum http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365227-ca2020-grand-tournament-mission-pack-leak/ To warp those leaks may go. I can post a link to a file with photos of 100+ pages of the future BRB with most of rules. there is not a word about such things as banning units without new points. What i want to see is where GW sais there there won't be Elysian DT, Conquror tanks, other units currently without updated point costs and such stuff in 9th edition. I want to make my own opinion on the matter and not reproduced opinion of made upon misheard conclusions of some panic-maker whom i have not that many reasons to trust because hype is his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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