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Apparently, the powers that be at GW decided that vigilus defiant are no longer legal for tournament play. I'm not sure if Guard can field a competitive army anymore without vigilus. It was kind of acting as a band aid helping armies against the power creep from the later codex releases. Sometimes it feels like they can't let Guard player have anything fun.
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These aren't from the matched play rules, those are in the main rulebook. This snipped is from the Grand Tournament book, and is a tournament rule only. So a matched play game with your pals can still use specialist detachments, you just wouldn't be able to do it at LVO.
If you think that tournament rules don't dictate how every gaming club plays, you're naive. Remember the rule of 3? It was supposed to be for tournament play, but everyone adopted it because it's clearly how GW wanted everyone to play. Vigilus detachments should have been valid for tournament play until an army gets the new codex. They even promised as much. Edited by HallofStovokor

If you think that tournament rules don't dictate how every gaming club plays, you're naive. Remember the rule of 3? It was supposed to be for tournament play, but everyone adopted it because it's clearly how GW wanted everyone to play. Vigilus detachments should have been valid for tournament play until an army gets the new codex. They even promised as much.

No they didn't. They promised that all rule books will still be valid in 9th and they are. Just not for this one specific game mode. If you and your friends only play by the most restrictive game mode out of several options that's kinda on you.

 

I also very much disagree that we need them to be competitive. I haven't run any of them in a while and I've been doing just fine. PA has done a lot more for us than Vigilus.

 

Dang. That's a bummer. Maybe we see them in the newest codex?

That's my hope! Or at least we might see wyvrens with ignore cover again

Vigilus is the only reason I dusted mine off last edition

 

Agreed. Mortar squads are the better option now. A mortar squad that can be given orders is significantly more important than a wyvern which can only shoot once. Blast rules work better for mortar squads now too. Let's say there's a squad of 10 marines. A wyvern will get a minimum of 4 shots because all 4 mortars are 1 weapon. A mortar squad has 3 separate mortars, so they will do a minimum of 9 shots.

First, my list increases in points by 25%, then I lose my Conquerors, now I can't even take my Emperor's Blade detachment? I guess being able to issue orders from inside a Chimera without paying CP every turn is just too wild a concept these days. At least we won't see those shenanigans from other factions anymore.

 

... then I lose my Conquerors...

You did not. They are updated in the IA Index 9 edition Errata

 

I saw they were mentioned to gain Blast along with everything else, but they weren't mentioned in the Chapter Approved for Forgeworld, so they didn't get updated points values. The Annihilator was included, however. Unless I missed another update somewhere.

Where is that damn book? i want to see it myself with my own eyes and without some fortune telling hype-eater 'expert' telling his own wild guesses as if those are facts.

There is nothing more evident than a picture of actual rules, it is like that: no Specialist Dets in the Grand Tournament 2020.

 

You can find the leak in the news forum

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365227-ca2020-grand-tournament-mission-pack-leak/

 

There is nothing more evident than a picture of actual rules, it is like that: no Specialist Dets in the Grand Tournament 2020.

 

You can find the leak in the news forum

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365227-ca2020-grand-tournament-mission-pack-leak/

 

To warp those leaks may go. I can post a link to a file with photos of 100+ pages of the future BRB with most of rules. there is not a word about such things as banning units without new points. What i want to see is where GW sais there there won't be Elysian DT, Conquror tanks, other units currently without updated point costs and such stuff in 9th edition. I want to make my own opinion on the matter and not reproduced opinion of made upon misheard conclusions of some panic-maker whom i have not that many reasons to trust because hype is his money.

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