Gaining command points

[Rogue]

In 9th edition, you gain one CP per turn in your command phase.

 

You can gain no more than one further command point via stratagems or abilities like Adept of the Codex.

 

But can you gain a further command point using a psychic ability? - the relevant rule doesn't say you can't, and doesn't include psychic powers in the bit describing the ways you can reach your allowed one CP per turn. 

 

Any thoughts? 

[Holier Than Thou]

Most likely they forgot there was a Psychic Power that could do this. Expect it to be FAQ’d.

[Quixus]

Or it is intentional, there is a danger to using psychic powers to offset that extra benefit.

[Rogue]

Which neatly sums up the two views we had on it at the time - it's been overlooked and can't be done; it's intentional because of the additional risk (and takes up a psychic slot too).

 

I'm inclined more towards the idea that you can't use it to break the limit, and it's just another CP generating option (and would free up your warlord slot to be something else, for example), but as written at the moment I think you can (until the FAQ, at least).

[BluejayJunior]

The rulebook says "each player can only gain or have refunded a total of 1 CP per battle round as the result of such rules, regardless of the source"

There is nothing in the rule that limits it to only stratagems or abilities. The first part says that certain rules let you gain or refund CPs when stratagems are used. 

[Rogue]

Yes, but I think the whole rule can be read a little differently. I don't have the exact quote, but the structure could be taken to imply that it's itemising the CP generating methods relevant to the rule - the 'such rules' referred to in the second part of the sentence.

 

Read that way, psychics are outside of the rule, and can freely generate extra CP. I don't think that's necessarily correct, but there was enough ambiguity that we ended up discussing it.

[Morticon]

Yes, but I think the whole rule can be read a little differently. I don't have the exact quote, but the structure could be taken to imply that it's itemising the CP generating methods relevant to the rule - the 'such rules' referred to in the second part of the sentence.

 

Read that way, psychics are outside of the rule, and can freely generate extra CP. I don't think that's necessarily correct, but there was enough ambiguity that we ended up discussing it.

 

I was about to join in on this and try and poke holes in this, Rogue - but upon reading closely, it appears you're 100% correct.

 

The wording is:

 

"There are several rules that give you a chance to gain or refund CP  when you or your opponent use a Stratagem or spend CPs to use a Stratagem." 

 

The second sentence following that uses the term "such rules" - which refers to the previous sentence. 

 

In this case, the only exclusion is very specific- and psychic powers fall outside of this.  

 

The bullet point *may* clue us in to intent, but as GW have said, when the bullet and the long rule appear to contradict, we must go with the long rule. 

 

Psychic powers are not included in this simply because "regardless of the source" is in specific and direct relation to Stratagems, not powers. 

[chapter master 454]

So yea, similar to Morticon I wanted to come poke holes in this but the only contention for this is Bullet Points but that is possibly dismissed by the hard rules. However I would contend that in this instance the bullet point doesn't contradict what is stated and quite clearly puts forward the intent as the examples given are after all, only examples not the end all list.

 

So up to you and your play group however I would think you may get called "that guy" if you try and abuse this since I believe we can all agree that the intention is to limit such abilities as well. So unless the FAQ says that Psychic Powers are excluded and thus can gain more points but that would be a bit odd considering the Imperium is the only faction that would benefit I believe (Mainly Space Marines taking an inquisitor could gain 2 extra CP per turn).

 

However it does point to minor details that require better air-tightening of wording. Possibly got missed because no-one used those powers because of the 8th edition limiter, so there is a small chance this was intended but very small imo.