TiguriusX Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/kA6zZq83YtZHZ9Ea.pdf?fbclid=IwAR25VDTtXXE2gLBuVZdCMUIEbvLKzm4cS37uc02c4BoMg5XoOnyyW5y8NHo Ulrik has a corrected data sheet Saga of Majesty officially works on litanies as well (big boost for the melee centric canticle of hate builds) Valerian and Kallas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Looks like they couldn’t be bothered to use the updated points costs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 All seems as expected, with Ulrik's datasheet being a nice bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0deb1ue Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Apparently everything has Ob sec at present... intentional..?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Apparently everything has Ob sec at present... intentional..?! That does actually appear to be the case. Bit odd. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Apparently everything has Ob sec at present... intentional..?! It was already written that way in Saga of the Beast. The whole detachment got it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 yes, Valerian - but I've just checked Blood of Baal and Ritual of the Damned and they both specify Troops. Bizarre that the FAQ hasn't fixed this?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 yes, Valerian - but I've just checked Blood of Baal and Ritual of the Damned and they both specify Troops. Bizarre that the FAQ hasn't fixed this?! Definitely. Clearly they’ve neglected this one, and didn’t do a great job with Field Manual quality control either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Can one of the Mods please add the link to that new Saga of the Beast FAQ to the Resources? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Are you talking about the fact that the detachment gains Defenders of Humanity? That applies only to troops Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Are you talking about the fact that the detachment gains Defenders of Humanity? That applies only to troops Not according to Psychic Awakening or the FAQ, both of which supersede the codex. It almost makes me thankful there aren't any tournaments right now as this would be a nightmare for a TO to rule on. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 You can email them to clarify or correct it Some of the ork players found a problem with the mek shop and custom paint jobs and GW is apparently going to correct it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Are you talking about the fact that the detachment gains Defenders of Humanity? That applies only to troops In the Codex, it says that if your army is Battleforged, then Troops units in Space Wolves Detachments get Defenders of Humanity. But, in Saga of the Beast it says, Space Wolves Detachments gain the Defenders of Humanity ability (not just Troops). This new Saga of the Beast Errata changes that to all units except Servitors and Beasts in Space Wolves Detachments gain Defenders of Humanity. So, definitely not just Troops. Pretty much the whole army gets Objective Secured. Enjoy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) The rule Defenders of Humanity in itself states that Troops count as objective secured unless I am mistaken. I'll double check that Edit: Spelling errors Edited July 27, 2020 by The Saint Ragnar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Rune Priest in Phobos can take from the Tempestas discipline now. Until we get the codex I suppose. If you put him on a forward objective and cast Fury of Wolf Spirits, with some support that becomes a very hard unit to shift. Oh we definitely giving him armor of Russ. TiguriusX and Dark Shepherd 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The rule Defenders of Humanity in itself states that Troops count as objective secured unless I am mistaken. I'll double check that Edit: Spelling errors It does not. Iain_Stormeyes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The rule Defenders of Humanity in itself states that Troops count as objective secured unless I am mistaken. I'll double check that Edit: Spelling errors It does not. What Valerian said - I will confess this was my assumption as well but Defenders of Humanity is an ability which, prior to SotB, Troops units gained. The ability itself makes no reference to Troops units at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) I was looking at the Codex Space Marine version, not ours. Apologies for trying to be the voice of reason. This is heavily playing RAW when RAI is quite obvious given all the other versions of the rule. I personally won't be doing this in my games but it is there. We will see if they fix that in the FAQ down the road. Edit: Added some thoughts Edited July 27, 2020 by The Saint Ragnar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) Rune Priest in Phobos can take from the Tempestas discipline now. Until we get the codex I suppose. If you put him on a forward objective and cast Fury of Wolf Spirits, with some support that becomes a very hard unit to shift. Oh we definitely giving him armor of Russ.You can combine this with phobos WL trait lord of deceit to put serious pressure on an opponent. Ideally this is on another character like a phobos captain. 9th edition is simultaneous deployment and nobody knows who has first turn until all units are down. Another major change is no scoring objectives until the beginning of your next turn. So if you dont put yourself at risk on an objective you get nothing. You can use a phobos rune priest with saga of the hunter and fury of the wolf spirits to put instant pressure on your opponent. If you get first turn you can basically wipe out any infantry unit placed on the edge of the DZ. If you get second turn redeploy using lord of deceit. You are now safe and have denied aggressive deployment to your opponent Funny thing is another marine chapter like raven guard or white scars doing this doesn't scare you as a SW. With army wide HI and armor of russ tricks you can shut down alpha melee builds easily Edited July 27, 2020 by TiguriusX QuarterPounder 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 That Defenders of Humanity wording seems so odd that it might well be intentional? Something to do with Wolves being the chapter most interested in actually defending Humanity? Not sure.... Be VERY strong if true, but I’m expecting a FAQ to alter the FAQ if that FAQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5572576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Side note, one of the necron dynasties tgats been leaked does get all models obsec. So this is not completely impossible. My thought is, if it's a mistake then it's kinda big because the wording makes it feel intentional, however it would be a bit odd so its definitely worth confirming the intent on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5573826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 It must be a mistake you cant get that rule for free, that dynasty has it as part of its "chapter tactic" equivalent Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5573831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Could be every marine chapter getting that come the codex? I hope not because we really don't need the help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5573906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedJester1013 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Naw NatBran, marines haven’t gotten anything new since Saturday so they must need more help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365475-saga-of-the-beast-faq-is-out/#findComment-5574030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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