Medjugorje Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) but to be honest. The Elite slot has Aggressors, Company Veterans, Eradicators, Bladeguard Veterans, Assault Terminators, Ancients and Apos... short said: all of our damage dealers. Edited July 28, 2020 by Medjugorje Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5573501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syward Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 but to be honest. The Elite slot has Aggressors, Company Veterans, Eradicators, Bladeguard Veterans, Assault Terminators, Ancients and Apos... short said: all of our damage dealers. I thought the Eradicators were a heavy selection? The Judiciar and his buff is a huge though. He nullifies an enemies ability to fight while protecting our units from damage. His ability can essentially rob a high value'threat target of it's ability to do damage and makes, which is definitely worth 1 of the 6 elite slots IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5573533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Does anyone know how the Judiciar debuff interacts with the stratagem counter-offensive? That buff can be essentially nullified if your opponent has more than one melee unit in combat that you need to worry about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5573539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 The Vexator Mask has a similar ability, and the Drukhari FAQ says that yes, you can still use Counter-Offensive on the affected unit. The Judiciar is strongest when you're getting charged though, and they can't use Counter-Offensive in their own turn. Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5573547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Multiple Judiciars might be worthwhile, if you really want to shut down countercharges. I tried already. Its too expensive in points I considered this too, for my less-than-optimized Templar lists. It'd definitely be easier to pull off if they were HQs. In a battalion you end up with a minimum of 4 characters if you take two Judiciars. That's definitely a lot of points. I suppose in a Vanguard detachment it could be more doable, if the other slot restrictions don't hamstring your plans too much. But of course, only taking one HQ character restricts any buffs you could have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5573765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal_warrior12 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 On the topic of how much I hate fighting this model. He absolutely a single assault intercessors squad alpha strike. Completely changed the momentum of the fight. I think he should only effect fights that he is in. A unit of eliminators will be in every list dedicated to taking him down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal_warrior12 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 On the topic of how much I hate fighting this model. He absolutely blunted a single assault intercessors squad alpha strike. Completely changed the momentum of the fight. I think he should only effect fights that he is in. A unit of eliminators will be in every list dedicated to taking him down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I haven't played any games against a Judiciar yet, but I have played against the Armour of Russ and the Vexator Mask, and both are extremely powerful for defending against charges. You have to adjust your whole game plan to account for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 yeah. Thats true. Maybe a emperors champion is perfect to killing him^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 You can take six elite now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 You can take six elite now. Couldn't you always? Just noone did because they wouldn't max out the Force Org. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 You can take six elite now. Couldn't you always? Just noone did because they wouldn't max out the Force Org. You could. It's a lot more relevant now that we're all trying to use just a single detachment though. HQ, FA and HS slots are all very valuable but elites not so much. Maybe BTs could just say that the Judiciar represents how a Primaris EC fights, effectively a "counts as" Judiciar. I agree that the rules for the EC don't really do a lot, making him a hard-to-justify HQ choice. I don't like the Judiciar's head so I replaced it with a Templar Brethren hat from 30k. Now he kind of looks like an EC. This is for my Crimson Fists but I like having a sort of throwback to the Crusading 7th Legion in there. Blindhamster, BLACK BLΠFLY, painting.for.my.sanity and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 looks cool! Mandragola 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Im just amused that if GW has the time to do the walmart version of the EC, why don't they make a proper EC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
painting.for.my.sanity Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 You can take six elite now. Couldn't you always? Just noone did because they wouldn't max out the Force Org. You could. It's a lot more relevant now that we're all trying to use just a single detachment though. HQ, FA and HS slots are all very valuable but elites not so much. Maybe BTs could just say that the Judiciar represents how a Primaris EC fights, effectively a "counts as" Judiciar. I agree that the rules for the EC don't really do a lot, making him a hard-to-justify HQ choice. I don't like the Judiciar's head so I replaced it with a Templar Brethren hat from 30k. Now he kind of looks like an EC. This is for my Crimson Fists but I like having a sort of throwback to the Crusading 7th Legion in there. I've done something similar by reshuffling things around from the Indomitus box, putting the visor down helm on the Captain, visor up helm on the Lieutenant, the Lieutenant's helm on the Ancient, and finally the Ancient's helm on the Judiciar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 You can take six elite now. Couldn't you always? Just noone did because they wouldn't max out the Force Org. You could. It's a lot more relevant now that we're all trying to use just a single detachment though. HQ, FA and HS slots are all very valuable but elites not so much. Maybe BTs could just say that the Judiciar represents how a Primaris EC fights, effectively a "counts as" Judiciar. I agree that the rules for the EC don't really do a lot, making him a hard-to-justify HQ choice. I don't like the Judiciar's head so I replaced it with a Templar Brethren hat from 30k. Now he kind of looks like an EC. This is for my Crimson Fists but I like having a sort of throwback to the Crusading 7th Legion in there. I've done something similar by reshuffling things around from the Indomitus box, putting the visor down helm on the Captain, visor up helm on the Lieutenant, the Lieutenant's helm on the Ancient, and finally the Ancient's helm on the Judiciar. Nice idea. The Ancient's helm would look good on a Judiciar. Syward and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Im just amused that if GW has the time to do the walmart version of the EC, why don't they make a proper EC. Probably because the judicar is usable for everyone I suppose. Same reason there isnt a primaris sanguinary priest painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Im just amused that if GW has the time to do the walmart version of the EC, why don't they make a proper EC.Probably because the judicar is usable for everyone I suppose. Same reason there isnt a primaris sanguinary priestBegone with your logic! Shoo hiss Blindhamster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5574980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Instead of Champion-, I think of him as a Chaplain with a big sword, so a Chaplain+ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5575203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 and his actual lore is he is a chaplain- lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5575284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) I bought one yesterday on ebay, for 10 quid, gonna cut a tip on that sword and use it for a conversion. Edited July 31, 2020 by Sete Blindhamster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5575286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 I cut the edges on my Judiciar's sword too, I just love the way it looks as a regular sword. The executioner sword is cool but a normal sword I think just looks even cooler. Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5575461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 I just found out he only gets his 4++ in melee so take care. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5575853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherWallenstein Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 I've been staring at the Judiciar sword, hobby knife in hand, but haven't taken the plunge yet. Anyone have some pointers how I should make the cuts? Hymnblade 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5576031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) I've been staring at the Judiciar sword, hobby knife in hand, but haven't taken the plunge yet. Anyone have some pointers how I should make the cuts? Turn flat bit into ponty bit. That's my plan. Edited August 1, 2020 by Sete Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365497-ec-vs-judiciar/page/2/#findComment-5576059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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