Dracos Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 If calculations are correct, 1830 points is the most I can get out of two sets of Indomitus box sets. I used everything except the Chaplains *gasp*. The HQs were a sticking point. Two Captains obviously most expensive HQ unit. I then used the Lt's because they can count as one HQ choice. Three being the max for a Battalion ... did I mention I was trying not to spend CP? Anyway there it is as a basis. I know many people who have bought two sets (not me ... yet ... maybe) and thought this would be interesting way to discuss going forward with all those new Chapters. ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - [insert Chapter]) [88 PL, 1,830pts] ++ + HQ + Primaris Captain (Indomitus) [5 PL, 105pts]: The Burning Blade, Warlord Primaris Captain (Indomitus) [5 PL, 105pts] Primaris Lieutenants (Indomitus) [8 PL, 180pts]: Primaris Lieutenant (Indomitus) Primaris Lieutenant (Indomitus) + Troops + Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 95pts] . 4x Assault Intercessor. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 95pts] . 4x Assault Intercessor. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 95pts] . 4x Assault Intercessor. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 95pts] . 4x Assault Intercessor. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Heavy Bolt Pistol + Elites + Bladeguard Ancient [5 PL, 85pts] Bladeguard Ancient [5 PL, 85pts] Bladeguard Veteran Squad [5 PL, 105pts] Bladeguard Veteran Squad [5 PL, 105pts] Judiciar [4 PL, 85pts] Judiciar [4 PL, 85pts] + Fast Attack + Outrider Squad [6 PL, 135pts]: Outrider Sgt. 2x Outrider Outrider Squad [6 PL, 135pts]: Outrider Sgt. 2x Outrider + Heavy Support + Eradicator Squad [5 PL, 120pts] Eradicator Squad [5 PL, 120pts] ++ Total: [88 PL, 1,830pts] ++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I think soon you won’t be able to dual captains anymore . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5572918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Yeah that's oaky sub the Chappie Back in as an HQ choice. I never sweat HQ choices until the very end of a build anyway. I want my units to do the heavy lifting. Never been a fan of herohammer. Characters are force multipliers for me. MMV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5572929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 The Indomitus datasheet doesn't actually allow you to take two lieutenants in one slot. Probably that'll change in the new codex, but right now it's technically not legal. Otherwise, nice. It's a really beefy box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5572933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I would argue the new Lt is too good to have more than one in a HQ slot like the other Lt's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5572938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 If you just want to run a battalion, two full Indomitus sets are not playable. That's 6 Elites to begin with. You'd be better off taking one set and supplement the army with other Indomitus piecea if you so desire. Having said that, you can always buy two sets and sell off the extra Elites and HQs. As for the effectiveness, you'd be running what amounts to a rather slow melee army with ranged antu-tank. I am not sure how effective that is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5572961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Battalions do have 6 Elite slots! The only part that isn't playable is having too many HQs. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5573209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Not to sound odd but...you did miss plasma pistols on the intercessor sergeants. Due to how the assault intercessors are done, you actually get given 2 sets of 5 identical sprues per box for your intercessors and thus can make 2 five man squads, both with plasma pistols. So you could technically get more points out of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5573346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 True I was trying to be basic ... and not a fan of plasma generally, but point well taken. No I think they play as a Battalion just find, depending on whose Chapter you use. I would argue the new Lt is too good to have more than one in a HQ slot like the other Lt's. Explain why. Because at his cost he looks pretty much in line with the other HQ point / effectiveness. Poor movement options, good wounds but 2+/4++ is pretty easy to overcome shooting or melee with weight of attacks. He's okay, good, not great. Again flavor HQs to your taste the other choice combine better than I thought as first. Nothing OP just all solid if used in right build with right pilot. definitely could have done with less HQs though. I haven't figured them out yet but the Judicar looks to be a great x factor imo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5573446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 True I was trying to be basic ... and not a fan of plasma generally, but point well taken. No I think they play as a Battalion just find, depending on whose Chapter you use. I would argue the new Lt is too good to have more than one in a HQ slot like the other Lt's. Explain why. Because at his cost he looks pretty much in line with the other HQ point / effectiveness. Poor movement options, good wounds but 2+/4++ is pretty easy to overcome shooting or melee with weight of attacks. He's okay, good, not great. Again flavor HQs to your taste the other choice combine better than I thought as first. Nothing OP just all solid if used in right build with right pilot. definitely could have done with less HQs though. I haven't figured them out yet but the Judicar looks to be a great x factor imo He is very tanky with his invuln from shield. Only bigger primaris HQ's have an invuln. Characters are harder to hide/ screen now, so a more tanky one would be a no brainer pick. I would also say Lt's are only multiples a slot because they don't have ready access to invuln's in comparison. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5573600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 That's all very reasonable. I think they'll stick with the current set up. Mainly because they have with the Phobos Lts. Octobers close enough we'll see soon. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5573701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schurge Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) Surely the utility of two Chaplains is worth two CPs for an added Patrol detachment? It would still be under 2k. Edited July 29, 2020 by Schurge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5573713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 I've been going over some builds where I wanted 4 Heavy choices and I think it's going to take either a really skewed list or more work than I've had time for so far to build a Primaris army that can afford to have enough ObSec that needs more than a Battalion. I'd love to go with 3 units of Eliminators and 2 of Eradicators but they don't throw enough weight on their own. I think Inceptors and / or Aggressors are needed fro mowing down opposing Troops. I really like the Outriders and Blade Guard, but comparatively I'm just not sure they do enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365506-psa-what-are-two-indomitus-boxes-worth/#findComment-5574189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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