Is anyone else expecting all Firstborn things to go Chaos?

[BrainFireBob]

As in, Chaos only is Firstborn?

 

GW then rolls the "missing" bits, like flyers, into Chaos while Imps go full Primaris

 

I begin to suspect this is the plan.

[Lucerne]

No such luck.

[Panzer]

Not really, no.

[Excessus]

Nope

[Doctor Perils]

Nah they'd already have given us the likes of land speeders and whirlwinds if so

[Charlo]

Not even one bit.

[Dagoth Ur]

Let's put it like this - if it happens, I'll do a fat rail of resin dust in the name of Slaanesh.

[Gederas]

Let's put it like this - if it happens, I'll do a fat rail of resin dust in the name of Slaanesh.

I will join you on that one man :lol:

[Iron Father Ferrum]

When you die from that, can I have your stuff?

 

But no, I'm not expecting that in the least and I think it's silly to expect it.

[Khornestar]

I was amazed we even got thunder hammers last edition. If not for the Blackstone fortress guy, who knows if that would have happened?

[Snazzy]

I'm just expecting Firstborn to be forgotten.  Like, no new releases, moved to Legends, and never mentioned again.  The fact that Chaos are Firstborn will just create an awkward question for noobs about what happened to the pre-Primaris Loyalists.

[Scribe]

Negative.

 

That line made GW their money. Time for that good old fashioned obsolescence, and a rebuy for loyalist players.

[MaliGn]

I've been wondering how long it will take for new "firstborn" model lines to hot featuring upscaled versions of earlier power armour marks....

[Goreshed]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those things made their way to chaos in some form or another. Not to mention it could be a point of pointing to Chaos and saying "this was the past" and then pointing to the Primaris and going 'this is the future' to show a greater gap between the Imperium and Chaos armies.

[Ezekyle_Abaddon]

Well with the leak of the new terminator and vanguard datasheets and them both going up a wound firstborn chaos doesn't seem so ridiculous now.

[Minsc]

2 Wound Chosen, Rubrics, Plague Marines, Noise Marines and Berzerkers here we go!

(Technically not confirmed yet, but I'd be very surprised if Elite Firstborn-units such as Vanguard and Sternguard get 2W while CSM Elite-units doesn't. It's 2020, doesn't hurt to be optimistic about something.)

[Iron Father Ferrum]

I'm holding out hope for line units, not just veterans, to get the wound buff, and I'm currently assuming that will percolate to all CSM even if we have to wait for the new codex for it happen.

 

As it stands - that is, if it's just veteran units getting the buff - then at minimum I expect Termies and Chosen to benefit. I hope the cult Troops benefit as well since they are likewise Elites choices as standard, but we'll have to see where GW's axe falls.

[Special Officer Doofy]

Classic case of "Hope for the best, plan for the worst".

[Verbal Underbelly]

Hey we could do with two wounds havocs as well. They're as big as terminators...

[ChazSexington]

No.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if our counterparts to the 2W Loyalists don't get 2Ws though, at least not until a new codex. 

[Iron Father Ferrum]

WarCom article confirmed all full-blown Astartes of all types are getting an extra wound.

[Minsc]

2 Wound Chosen, Rubrics, Plague Marines, Noise Marines and Berzerkers here we go!

 

(Technically not confirmed yet, but I'd be very surprised if Elite Firstborn-units such as Vanguard and Sternguard get 2W while CSM Elite-units doesn't. It's 2020, doesn't hurt to be optimistic about something.)

Woho, for once it paid of being optimistic!

[Khornestar]

I am eager to use a big blob of raptors, maybe 15 strong. Same with warp talons. Both were just so killable, they barely got to take advantage of their mobility.

 

Astartes vs. Astartes fights will be more interesting, assuming we also get the chainsword upgrade. They were often boring slugfests that took forever to resolve, if the champ/sarge didn’t have an upgraded weapon. 2 wounds will kinda keep it that way, but melee weapons are more lethal, with fists nearly guaranteed to kill if they wound.

 

I wonder if they’ll give broader access to hammers.

[ChazSexington]

WarCom article confirmed all full-blown Astartes of all types are getting an extra wound.

 

The question is when are these changes being rolled out. To all codices at the same time, or do they release the updates gradually?  

 

Also, lol @ not making the point updates available for free at the start of 9th. The field manual is already fooked. 

[Marshal Loss]

 

WarCom article confirmed all full-blown Astartes of all types are getting an extra wound.

 

The question is when are these changes being rolled out. To all codices at the same time, or do they release the updates gradually?  

It says in the article:

 

 

 

These new rules and points will come into effect officially, as new codexes are released.

 

I expect we won't be waiting too long for a new CSM book but we are still going to have a painful waiting period, that's for sure

 

edit: formatting

Edited August 14, 2020 by Marshal Loss