Valerian Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Some of the Playtesters keep mentioning that more was coming, and even with the recent release of 9e, we don't yet have the "full picture." I just assumed they were alluding to big changes in upcoming codexes (and perhaps they are), but now it also seems that some of the big changes are related to weapon profiles and abilities, and wargear. We've already seen the probable change to Storm Shields, with the Bladeguard's rules for those, but now with these leaks, we're beginning to see a whole lot of major changes to some of the Marine weapons. Check out the OP in New and Rumors here. But, here is a bit of a summary: Onslaught Gatling Cannon is now Heavy 8 Twin Accelerator Auto Cannon is Heavy 6 Multi-Meltas are now Heavy 2, and their ability has changed to D6+2 damage when shooting at a target within half range. Heavy Bolter on the Invictor Warsuit changed to 1 shot at S5/AP-1/2D (less shots, but 2 Damage) Ironhail Heavy Stubber now Heavy 4 (probably), which is a gain of 1 shot Incendium Cannon gains a point of Strength to S6. Just based on these changes alone, it looks like one of the major efforts for 9e play testing has been doing a thorough pass through all of the weapon profiles to ensure lesser used equipment is made relevant. If true, that's definitely big news, and will have a major impact on our lists. Val NightHowler 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debauchery101 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) If that's the case for meltas I'm probably going to go back to to Raptors lol. Just master of ambush in 3 units of Eradicators. Also when combined with a couple units of Infiltrators and lord of deceit you can easily lock out an area, redeploy to the best spot and then deepstrike the hotness Edited August 4, 2020 by Debauchery101 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I'm really sad about the accelerator cannon since the Sicaran is my favorite armor. Still hope for the FW book though I suppose (assuming its in there) and the other changes are interesting. Stormwolf seems gross depending on the points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 The melta change will be huge on our flyers, as well. Two twin-linked MMs for 8 melta shots, and you can easily get withing 12" of the target...insane. Fang_Guard23, TiguriusX, Valerian and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 The melta change will be huge on our flyers, as well. Two twin-linked MMs for 8 melta shots, and you can easily get withing 12" of the target...insane. Yes, sir. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 If the 9th edition storm fang ends up with 8 melta shots I expect the new biker chaplain to be cruising alongside chanting the recitation of focus We will have the deadliest vehicle hunter in the game with 11 S8 AP4 BS2 shots not even counting the lascannons or missiles Arentius and NightHowler 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 O.o 8 melta shots.... It will be priority 1, but 8 melta shots! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 It can't be priority one if it is in reserves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 It can't be priority one if it is in reserves. If everything is priority one, nothing is! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Thank goodness melta is getting a bump. Its always been my favorite and it's been sad to not see it on the table Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I wonder if the invictor’s sidearm is still a heavy bolter or will be named something else. With heavy bolters going up in price it would make sense to me if they were S5 AP-1 D2 Three shots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 I wonder if the invictor’s sidearm is still a heavy bolter or will be named something else. With heavy bolters going up in price it would make sense to me if they were S5 AP-1 D2 Three shots. Concur. That would make the new cost make sense, as well as make them a worthwhile option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) If the 9th edition storm fang ends up with 8 melta shots I expect the new biker chaplain to be cruising alongside chanting the recitation of focus We will have the deadliest vehicle hunter in the game with 11 S8 AP4 BS2 shots not even counting the lascannons or missiles Or you could do Catechism of fire for the +1 to wound rolls (2 chaplains lets have both!) Edit: Also the ATV's have the biker keyword, so they should be able to use the Skilled Riders strat for that 4+ invuln / 3+ invuln when advancing Edited August 5, 2020 by Arentius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 The melta change will be huge on our flyers, as well. Two twin-linked MMs for 8 melta shots, and you can easily get withing 12" of the target...insane. I JUST glued on the Heavy Bolters! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 So..provided this is universal in a 2k list you can absolutely decimate people with melta onslaught. Storm wolf = 8 melta shots Longfangs = 9 (11 if you add a 5th packmember) Eradicatores = 6 shots 23 shots a turn, with primo turn 1 potential if deepstriking the Longfangs via droppod / keen senses. Salamanders eat your hearts out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I hope Macro Plasma Incinerators get a change too because currently I really regret taking one on my redemptor It already got Blast which makes it a bit stronger against large units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 So, I'm going to be "that guy" but this is a definite example of where being a supplement might be an advantage as we won't have to wait to be brought in line with other adjustments. The devil will be in the detail (Strategems, Relics, retention of unique units etc) but if they are revamping a lot of the core weapon profiles we'll get those with everyone else rather than having a 6-9 month delay again. Karhedron, Valerian, Fang_Guard23 and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 The melta change will be huge on our flyers, as well. Two twin-linked MMs for 8 melta shots, and you can easily get withing 12" of the target...insane. I JUST glued on the Heavy Bolters! and here I was about to cut my meltas off. I think you could bore out the bolter and put a magnet in it, and then put a magnet in the melta tip? and just put the melta tip on top of the heavy bolter bit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 These bumps mighnt be for free though Could very easily be points increases for some of these weapons/units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I think as far as the storm wolf is concerned the melta buff would be a bit of double edged sword, because it's a great target for their melta as well. Its always seemed with melta units that they are great if your opponent has a model or two that are more expensive than the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I think as far as the storm wolf is concerned the melta buff would be a bit of double edged sword, because it's a great target for their melta as well. Its always seemed with melta units that they are great if your opponent has a model or two that are more expensive than the unit. The stormwolf/stormfang have the alpha strike advantage They can either hide far away in a corner and zoom 20-50" using superior mobility to hit a target OR they can strategic reserve and drop right on target turn 2 The biggest change to the meta IMO will be multi-melta marines in drop pods You can't intercept and kill those units...only defense is to screen them out Vehicles are going to disappear like they did when the Castellan was curb stomping things Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I think as far as the storm wolf is concerned the melta buff would be a bit of double edged sword, because it's a great target for their melta as well. Its always seemed with melta units that they are great if your opponent has a model or two that are more expensive than the unit. The stormwolf/stormfang have the alpha strike advantage They can either hide far away in a corner and zoom 20-50" using superior mobility to hit a target OR they can strategic reserve and drop right on target turn 2 The biggest change to the meta IMO will be multi-melta marines in drop pods You can't intercept and kill those units...only defense is to screen them out Vehicles are going to disappear like they did when the Castellan was curb stomping things Auspex Scan/Chooser of the Slain; if youre playing against marines youd almost want a Wolf Priest beside a Repulsor of Invictor just for it Deepstrike is the way to go for Stormfangs, they look like serious glasscannons now. Though technically they have free Stormstrike missiles I think due to a points glitch I do agree though that we could see a vehicle light meta Fang_Guard23 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I think as far as the storm wolf is concerned the melta buff would be a bit of double edged sword, because it's a great target for their melta as well. Its always seemed with melta units that they are great if your opponent has a model or two that are more expensive than the unit. The stormwolf/stormfang have the alpha strike advantage They can either hide far away in a corner and zoom 20-50" using superior mobility to hit a target OR they can strategic reserve and drop right on target turn 2 The biggest change to the meta IMO will be multi-melta marines in drop pods You can't intercept and kill those units...only defense is to screen them out Vehicles are going to disappear like they did when the Castellan was curb stomping things Auspex Scan/Chooser of the Slain; if youre playing against marines youd almost want a Wolf Priest beside a Repulsor of Invictor just for it Deepstrike is the way to go for Stormfangs, they look like serious glasscannons now. Though technically they have free Stormstrike missiles I think due to a points glitch I do agree though that we could see a vehicle light meta You can't kill the marines inside a drop pod using intercept stratagems All you do is kill the drop pod and then marines get to pop out I guess you could get lucky with rolls of 1 but that isn't worth the CP IMO *** Q2. If the unit arriving as reinforcements has another unit embarked inside it which must disembark after it has been set up (such as units embarked within a Drop Pod, or a Tyrannocyte), can the firing unit shoot at the unit as it disembarks? A: No – though the unit can shoot at the Drop Pod/ Tyrannocyte before the units inside disembark *** FAQ from 8th edition rule book page 11 Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Tigurius: damm, thought they could. They definitely need to change that, and not just so I can save face TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 are all melta variants getting altered? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365691-weapon-rebalancing/#findComment-5578708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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