Assault Intercessors - Deathwatch

[Prot]

Hey guys,

 

Sorry to ask this, but I'm not sure where exactly to reference this.... do the assault intercessor Heavy Bolt Pistol receive SIA? I am just wondering if there is reference to the Heavy Bolt Pistol somewhere I'm unaware of.

 

I've been running multi- Assault Intercessor squads with my White Scars. And while they get a good boost in White Scars, I will say they are a very good unit for simply bogging down shooty units, or challenging objectives. Turn 3 is of course a real option for these guys.

 

What I've been realizing, even with great success using WS, is the army still prefers some solid shooting, and the Assault Phase really isn't that 'magical' for even a Chapter like WS until T3. 

 

That said I realize a good chunk of people outside of WS aren't really using these. 

 

I think being able to put them in deep strike as Deathwatch gives them a little bit more life. The problem I have found is with reserves in 9th.... What I mean by this is I'm about 18-20 games into 9th ed with various armies. A good opponent is going to be fairly strong at blocking out reserves, but with an assault intercessor squad, I think it's worth trying.

 

 

[Daynga-Zone]

SIA is a data sheet ability I believe so none of the units from Indomitus have it other than the Chaplain since he’s the same data sheet as the primaris chaplain. I would expect all of them to get it in the codex or our supplement, but until then I believe that’s the way it works.

 

For any casual games or games where you’re experimenting with using them I’d ask your opponent if he’s ok with it because there’s very little reason to assume they won’t have it. (Unless it gets changed completely in 9th).

[Stargate_wars]

Currently nothing that has the Heavy Bolt Pistol from the new Indomitus set can use SIA due to it not being on the models datasheet under abilities. 

[Stargate_wars]

SIA is a data sheet ability I believe so none of the units from Indomitus have it other than the Chaplain since he’s the same data sheet as the primaris chaplain. I would expect all of them to get it in the codex or our supplement, but until then I believe that’s the way it works.

 

For any casual games or games where you’re experimenting with using them I’d ask your opponent if he’s ok with it because there’s very little reason to assume they won’t have it. (Unless it gets changed completely in 9th).

The Chaplain in Indomitus is not fully the same as the pistol has extra range to become a 18 inch range pistol over the 16 inch that all codexes replace with no issues except Deathwatch have to use the 16 inch pistol codex  equipped datasheet to use SIA.

Edited August 7, 2020 by Stargate_wars

[Daynga-Zone]

Ah, I hadn’t caught the Chaplain differences, good eye.

[Prot]

Thanks guys... It's just one of my many test games so I prefer to have it as close to 'correct' as possible. lol

 

I believe I read something about re-rolls against Xenos in CC. Am I losing my mental faculty? Or did this appear somewhere as a teaser or something?

[Stargate_wars]

Thanks guys... It's just one of my many test games so I prefer to have it as close to 'correct' as possible. lol

 

I believe I read something about re-rolls against Xenos in CC. Am I losing my mental faculty? Or did this appear somewhere as a teaser or something?

It was in Chapter Tactics page of the new marine codex reveal video and will be added to a improved version of the Deathwatch Mission Tactics.

 

 

Ah, I hadn’t caught the Chaplain differences, good eye.

One of the Space Marine relics called Purgatorus got changed to 18 inch to match the changes to Absolver Bolt Pistol and Heavy Bolt Pistol since the relic now replaces all types of bolt pistol instead of just the Bolt Pistol and Heavy Bolt Pistol in the upcoming Space Marine codex plus it got an extra shot added as well.

Edited August 7, 2020 by Stargate_wars

[Prot]

 

Thanks guys... It's just one of my many test games so I prefer to have it as close to 'correct' as possible. lol

 

I believe I read something about re-rolls against Xenos in CC. Am I losing my mental faculty? Or did this appear somewhere as a teaser or something?

It was in Chapter Tactics page of the new marine codex reveal video and will be added to a improved version of the Deathwatch Mission Tactics.

 

 

Thanks. I was so sure I saw it somewhere and searched all the new documentation and started to think I was losing my mind. :tu:

[GrinNfool]

So as others have pointed out its an ability on the datasheet itsself, however since Reivers have the Heavy Bolt Pistol and it applies to them it likely will apply to Assault Intercessors as well, assuming we don't lose SIA by being included in the marine codex.  Since we will be lumped into the marine book, unless there is something that says all deathwatch infantry and bikers get SIA added to their datasheets, they can't put it on the actual datasheets themselves anymore.

 

But assuming the sky isn't falling, and it likely isn't, Assault intercessors having SIA is fine and reasonable for your game, since if we are going by no datasheet rule = no rules, we have nothing other than GW facebook saying we even get access to them, so if thats the argument against SIA, then you couldn't use them in the first place.

[Stargate_wars]

So as others have pointed out its an ability on the datasheet itsself, however since Reivers have the Heavy Bolt Pistol and it applies to them it likely will apply to Assault Intercessors as well, assuming we don't lose SIA by being included in the marine codex.  Since we will be lumped into the marine book, unless there is something that says all deathwatch infantry and bikers get SIA added to their datasheets, they can't put it on the actual datasheets themselves anymore.

 

But assuming the sky isn't falling, and it likely isn't, Assault intercessors having SIA is fine and reasonable for your game, since if we are going by no datasheet rule = no rules, we have nothing other than GW facebook saying we even get access to them, so if thats the argument against SIA, then you couldn't use them in the first place.

Currently Reivers Heavy Bolt Pistols are not the same as Indomitus Heavy Bolt Pistols, they have different stats due to a change in the range, which makes them 2 different weapons with the same name until the new codex is released and until then anyone will have to ask their opponents if they can use SIA with any of the Indomitus models

 

As far as SIA is it will most likely be a Super Tactic in the Deathwatch supplement for pure Deathwatch.

[Prot]

Yea, I'm going to try it with the SIA on the Assault Intercessors. It might be wrong, but it seems to make sense. (Of course what's logical to me/us may be different from GW. :) )

 

Thanks.

[Rikev]

I asked on the Twitch channel and they refused to answer as they aren't rules guys. Either it is another dumb oversight in the app or I suspect we won't get SIA in the new Codex without the supplement.

[Qui-Gon]

I am kind of wondering when people are going to take a massive chill pill on the matter of the new units getting SIA until the codex releases.

The answer is obviously: No you can't use it right now.

The answer to the question of "will we be able to?" is: we don't know, wait until the codex.

 

If we don't, we don't.
If we do, we do.

Hashing out every other day about whether the units can or cannot ever get SIA come october helps no one.

[Daynga-Zone]

Seems like a pretty chill discussion to me? There’s hardly a post in this subforum every other day, much less one about Indomitus and SIA. It was a valid question, it may have been answered in another thread buried in a few pages of comments, but it’s not a repeat or anything and a good answer doesn’t come up with a quick google search for me.

 

I think most people (Everyone in here?) already agreed with your take Qui-Gon that we don’t get it RAW currently and will have to wait for the dex. It does seem highly likely based on what other weapons have it so playing an experimental game with it doesn’t hurt anybody. Heck, my opponent let me play around with having a father of the future apothecary to see what it would feel like having DW rolled into the current SM codex.

[Debauchery101]

Most likely many people won't be playing in any competitive format anytime soon but if youre playing with friends or your club...its pretty dumb not to allow these Indomitus Marines to use the SIA...heavy bolt pistols are listed and the "twin bolt rifles" of the outriders will eventually be added if precedent is followed.

[leth]

I am just chillin* out on anything not hobby related for the most part till October. It’s like the new edition of windows: give it a few months to work out the first few patches.