Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-40000 Nothing new for us in Saga. Universal obsec still on place. Munitorum manual has new points for suppressor, now 33. And character protection is updated to no more Bjorn/Murderfang hand holding Edited August 10, 2020 by Rune Priest Jbickb PeteySödes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) Invictor gun points werent fixed Stormfangs get free skyhammers Any others they missed? Charcater targeting change means no more shield dread hiding characters either Edited August 10, 2020 by Dark Shepherd TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 They need to either hire a better quality review team or talk to fans more. These are simple things to correct... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) Invictor gun points werent fixed Stormfangs get free skyhammers Any others they missed? Are we sure skyhammers aren't meant to be free? Asking because I honestly didn't think that was an issue but am interested to here why they shouldn't be free It is odd that dreads dont hide dreads anymore... Edited August 10, 2020 by Rune Priest Jbickb Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Hope it all gets sorted by the time i get to play again...what a mess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Invictor gun points werent fixed Stormfangs get free skyhammers Any others they missed? Are we sure skyhammers aren't meant to be free? Asking because I honestly didn't think that was an issue but am interested to here why they shouldn't be free It is odd that dreads dont hide dreads anymore... Sorry Stormstrikes Basing this off an Auspex Tactics vid but I think its Stormstrikes are compulsory on Stormravens so are free. Stormfangs are the only other unit that can take them sic but they are not compulsory but are still 0 points for us Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) It is odd that dreads dont hide dreads anymore... First born dreads don't Primaris dreads do Redemptor is 13 wounds Invictor is 13 wounds Coincidence? Edited August 10, 2020 by TiguriusX Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Contemptors sneak in? Is annoying that gosh darn shield dreads cant shield mini characters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 Invictor gun points werent fixed Stormfangs get free skyhammers Any others they missed? Are we sure skyhammers aren't meant to be free? Asking because I honestly didn't think that was an issue but am interested to here why they shouldn't be free It is odd that dreads dont hide dreads anymore... Sorry StormstrikesBasing this off an Auspex Tactics vid but I think its Stormstrikes are compulsory on Stormravens so are free. Stormfangs are the only other unit that can take them sic but they are not compulsory but are still 0 points for us I guess I see the angle but I expect them to stay free especially since we are getting rolled into the same codex and its shared wargear. Also Inceptors were mentioned in the other thread as being mis costed still which I had completely forgotten. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 They also didn't fix the fact that Bolter Inceptors are 75 points for us still Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 They've now had multiple opportunities to address the fact that our entire army gets Objective Secured (minus Fenrisian Wolves, Cyber Wolves, and Servitors), and still haven't made the change, so it seems pretty clear that it is, indeed, intentional. Enjoy! svane jotunsbane, Rune Priest Jbickb and Arentius 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 They've now had multiple opportunities to address the fact that our entire army gets Objective Secured (minus Fenrisian Wolves, Cyber Wolves, and Servitors), and still haven't made the change, so it seems pretty clear that it is, indeed, intentional. Enjoy! Definitely agreed. svane jotunsbane 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5581846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axilleas Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) Charcater targeting change means no more shield dread hiding characters eitherWell, that's disheartening. I was planning on running Bjorn & Murderfang, escorted by two axe/shield ven dreads, as a separate force on the table to wreak havoc on their own. Now the Ven dreads can't even protect my normal characters either. I guess my TWC went up in value though. Edited August 10, 2020 by Axilleas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) Shameless speculation and wishlisting 2 wound mini marines = 3 wound Wulfen 4 wound TWC Hook that up to my veins Where is the 2++ save for Bjorn??? You're not whising hard enough!!!!!!!! Honestly, all dreads need to get 2+ armor saves IMO. It makes no sense their armor save is worse than TDA. Edited August 11, 2020 by Gherrick Bulwyf, Kallas and Valerian 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulf Vengis Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Considering TDA is the "man" sized, more "portable" version of Dreadnought armor. Wolf Guard Dan 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 wound Wolf Guard termies? Oh yes....this is the change I can get behind. Let the 2 wounds for all marines loyal and chaos be true as well. svane jotunsbane 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) On the topic of the objective secured for everything, I would love for it to be intentional but GW has missed a bunch of things with their most recent updates for points and FAQs that I would put any stock in this being intentional. We will find out when the Codex release drops if they intend it but right now I wouldn't do this in your friendly games for what it's worth. Not until we get something official from GW saying that this was intended, at least. That being said, I'm not the hobby police so hobby as you want as long as everyone is having fun! Edit: Grammar Edited August 11, 2020 by The Saint Ragnar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Two Wolf Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Charcater targeting change means no more shield dread hiding characters eitherWell, that's disheartening. I was planning on running Bjorn & Murderfang, escorted by two axe/shield ven dreads, as a separate force on the table to wreak havoc on their own. Now the Ven dreads can't even protect my normal characters either. I guess my TWC went up in value though. What's to say dreadnoughts aren't going to get wound increases too... I'm 90% through a pretty sweet Murderfang, but certainly not buying anything till we know more. I want an oldmarine swarm with chainswords literally everywhere so it's pile of (obsolete?) shame painting time, and hope for the best. It's looking like 40k is making everyone's favourite units viable again, if you really want them. It's great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 What's the wording change in character targeting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) What's the wording change in character targeting? Look Out, Sir Change the first sentence to read: ‘Models cannot target a unit that contains any Character models with a Wounds characteristic of 9 or less with a ranged weapon while that unit is within 3" of any other friendly Vehicle or Monster unit with a Wounds characteristic of 10 or more, or while it is within 3" of any other friendly units that have 3 or more models, unless that Character unit is both visible to the firing model and it is the closest enemy unit to the firing model – the maelstrom of battle makes it difficult to pick out such individuals.’ Edit: fixed weird formatting from copy paste Edited August 11, 2020 by Rune Priest Jbickb Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverShire Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 So does that mean that a rhino on 1 wound doesn't negate character targeting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 It's based off original wounds I Believe. So a 1w rhino would still protect Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 So does that mean that a rhino on 1 wound doesn't negate character targeting? It states wound characteristic, which is not changed through damage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 It’s based off of the Wounds characteristic, not current Wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 I'm confident at this stage the Obsec is intentional, they've had 2 FAQ passes plus one of the Necron dynasty codes states they get armywide Obsec with troops counting as 2 models each. Rune Priest Jbickb and svane jotunsbane 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365812-saga-of-the-beast-errata-update/#findComment-5582525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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