Codex Speculation for 9th Redux

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I would expect for us to pickup some new options but not the full codex. We will probably have access to the warlord traits and relics though which would be nice.

[Gherrick]

Expecting full SM codex + unique units is a bit silly. It only makes sense we lose out on some "core" units (and weapons). Stormwolves and Stormfangs vs Stormraven, helfrost vs grav, et al. I'm not suggesting these are fair or equitable trades, but SW have unit and wargear options unique to them, so it only seems fair they give up something in exchange.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Hopefully the codex is released right at the start of October and we don't have to wait much longer.

[FabulousRex]

I'm of 2 minds about Full Access to base SM stuff.

 

Some of it makes sense, any and all tanks that aren't chapter exclusive should be in all SM armories. To a greater or lesser degree, is different chapter to chapter. But if they can mass produce Stormravens (for example) enough for the Vanilla chapters, roughly 70% to 90% of all Space Marines; the mechanicus has gotta have a few to ship to everyone, unless the SW flat out refuse to use a Stormraven.

 

On the other hand; Tactical Squads, Sterngaurd, Troop Scouts, and many more make zero sense and should not be included. That also means no vanilla-fying our special units. We have Long Fangs, not devestator squads named Long Fangs. Same with Terminators, we better keep our unique options that we've modeled and used for years. If we get stuck with vanilla wargear Terminators that have the Wolf Guard keyword, I'll be livid.

 

That said, I don't really think we'll lose any of our unique units, as they all still have box sets available, if I remember. I'm hopeful, but mindful of what happened to the 4th edition Chaos Codex that completely ripped all of their unique Legion stuff away for like 3 editions or so.

Edited September 1, 2020 by FabulousRex

[Karack Blackstone]

I should be clear then.

 

SW only, and then stuff with no SW unit to be preempted by is what should become accessible to the Vlka.

 

Grey Hunters? No Tactical Squad.

Blood Claws? No Scout Squad.

Long Fangs? No Dev’s.

 

Grav weapons? Yes please.

Stormraven? Fen Grt Axe Blizz Dread, 10 Gh’s, WGPL, HQ to taste or +1 GH? Air mobile by said SRaven? Yus please!

 

That, no loss of wolfy units, no access to Wolved replaced units.

The rest of the SM Codex?

 

Heh, Stormraven as above, Stormwolf with 16 PA model BC deathstar, and a Stormhawk or Stormtalon escort...?

 

Center ot far table press much?

[Karhedron]

One of the most likely speculations would be that with the Space Wolves being somewhat folded into the codex, could we see the use of things like Grav, and Centurion's?

Grav Long Fangs would be very tasty indeed. 5 Gravs in a Pod with a Wolf Lord for rerolls and "Keen Senses" and "Gravitic Amplification" would put a lot of hurt on pretty much any unit in the game.

[The Saint Ragnar]

 

One of the most likely speculations would be that with the Space Wolves being somewhat folded into the codex, could we see the use of things like Grav, and Centurion's?

Grav Long Fangs would be very tasty indeed. 5 Gravs in a Pod with a Wolf Lord for rerolls and "Keen Senses" and "Gravitic Amplification" would put a lot of hurt on pretty much any unit in the game.

You don't need a wolf lord for re-rolls, they already re-roll based on their special rule against one target per shooting phase. So they would be deadly efficient dropping down. Especially if you add a WGPL with SS to tank some of the higher AP stuff coming in.

[Karhedron]

Quite right! Momentary brain-fail there.

[Dark Shepherd]

Hey if theyve discontinued the dedicated Long Fang box then we should get grav weapons if we're just expected to Wolf up the devastator box

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Out of curiosity do you think if long fangs get grav they'll still keep their current rules or just become devastors with maybe a unique stratagem? The 5th weapon has felt fairer since the other marines had an option that had been superior ruleswise.

[Karhedron]

It's all up for grabs at this point. If it came to a choice between keeping our unique stuff or gaining access to more vanilla codex units, I would rather keep what makes us unique.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Yeah that's how I feel which is kinda of ironic because I just use primaris lol

[Guest Triszin]

I do wonder if T wolves will get +1 W.

 

having 4 W "sprinting Terminators" sounds fun

[NightHowler]

I do wonder if T wolves will get +1 W.

 

having 4 W "sprinting Terminators" sounds fun

A wolf can dream, can’t he?

[Karack Blackstone]

Out of curiosity do you think if long fangs get grav they'll still keep their current rules or just become devastors with maybe a unique stratagem? The 5th weapon has felt fairer since the other marines had an option that had been superior ruleswise.

 

It's all up for grabs at this point. If it came to a choice between keeping our unique stuff or gaining access to more vanilla codex units, I would rather keep what makes us unique.

 

Yeah that's how I feel which is kinda of ironic because I just use primaris lol

 

I do wonder if T wolves will get +1 W.

 

having 4 W "sprinting Terminators" sounds fun

I personally think SW's should get Unique Wolf units then anything not replaced should be allowed access.

 

Centurions, both types.

Wulfen, GH's, BC's, SC's, Swift Claws, TWC, WG TDA, WG PA, etc.

 

Just, if it's not unique to the Wolves, there's every reason to fear the Space Wolves getting Stormravens, just from the combined press of one or two SR's with a GH pack, WGPL and HQ / +1 GH to taste, and a Dread of some kind riding shotgun.

 

Oh, anyone else hope Dreads can shoot one heavy or both arms' ranged weapons out the back, or is that too broken? Shotgun Dreads would be way too much fun for me.

[Bryan Blaire]

I'm really hoping they restrict the lists more than that - the "anything not replaced" concept really would make the three "Big Four" supplements into "Marines++" instead of a lateral move on the Marines spectrum.

 

If we are going to have Helfrost weapons, then no Grav. If we are going to have the Stormwolf & -fang, then no Ravens, etc.

 

It honestly shouldn't be much different than it is as of today, the variant structures are good as is, and they need to get on with a few Chapter unique Primaris units, then move off Marines for a while.

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

I'm really hoping they restrict the lists more than that - the "anything not replaced" concept really would make the three "Big Four" supplements into "Marines++" instead of a lateral move on the Marines spectrum.

 

If we are going to have Helfrost weapons, then no Grav. If we are going to have the Stormwolf & -fang, then no Ravens, etc.

 

It honestly shouldn't be much different than it is as of today, the variant structures are good as is, and they need to get on with a few Chapter unique Primaris units, then move off Marines for a while.

I agree with all you said except on the point of grav weapons. Helfrost is so limited they either need to give us grav or more helfrost for that argument to hold for me. Now if they give us marine carried helfrost (and made helfrost halfway decent) then sure no grav betas it stands right now its kinda weird not to give it to us.

[jay170788]

Yeah Grav is better but so what... we have the best close combat unit (arguably) in a space marine army, we can't have the better shooting units too. But even with the Helfrost cannons as they are I would love to run a squad of 5 long fangs with them just for rule of cool. Sure they won't be in my tournament army but for fun they will for sure.

[Bryan Blaire]

Don't disagree a bit about getting a Helfrost Cannon and maybe even a Helfrost gun toting Marine weapon - I half-expect something like that on a Primaris Wolf specific unit when they happen. Something more than just the Iron Priest.

 

There's got to be a new sprue cut for that though, and I don't think it will happen for classic Astartes.

[Dark Shepherd]

 

I do wonder if T wolves will get +1 W.

 

having 4 W "sprinting Terminators" sounds fun

A wolf can dream, can’t he?

By logic/precedent they should

[Guest Triszin]

I just wish the books would come out. I can't plan any list until then :(

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Looks there is a codex preview on Saturday, so hopefully we don't have to wait too much longer.

 

Edit: its a codex format preview so I'm sure its more explaining the layout than anything. Still means we're getting close.

Edited September 6, 2020 by Jorin Helm-splitter

[GrFlur]

So, is the new codex units going to replace our codex units or should we wait until the supp is out?

 

Since Saga of the beast I'm sooo :cuss lost that i'm unable to find myself  

Edited September 10, 2020 by PeteySödes
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[Rune Priest Jbickb]

So, is the new codex units going to replace our codex units or should we wait until the supp is out?

 

Since Saga of the beast I'm sooo :cuss lost that i'm unable to find myself

I doubt we lose anything unit wise. And I suspect the supplement will be on the heels of the codex as our army (as well as BA and DA) will be very reliant on the supplement and GW knows that. When the SM codex dropped last time it dropped along side 2 supplements, its not a stretch to expect the supplements to drop either with or shortly after the codex. Hopefully we will know more Saturday where they have a codex preview of some sort.

Edited September 10, 2020 by PeteySödes
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[Karhedron]

I am not building anything crucial that I cannot magnetise at the moment. I doubt that we will be losing any units that have a dedicated kit. Whether we get to keep all the options that we currently enjoy for such units is a different question. I am not certain WG Terminators will be able to keep things like combi-weapons since these aren't represented in the box. Hopefully we will soon be pleasantly surprised. In the meantime, keep calm and kill some heretics. Edited September 7, 2020 by Karhedron