Are land speeders intended to be the forerunner of grav tank

[Ishagu]

Well sure. Anything can inspire anyone. eg: Someone saw a monkey throw a rock so they built a gun. Both are ranged, weaponized projectiles.

 

You can just as easily say he was inspired after he saw the Tau or Eldar tanks in action - those are more similar in function to the Astartes hover tanks, whist Tau Piranhas are similar to speeders.

[Snazzy]

Can't we just accept that Rule of Cool was at work here?  The explanations are secondary.

[Ishagu]

Strictly speaking the forerunner to the Repulsor was the Landraider.

 

They serve the same function and have comparative armaments. They even look the same.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Partially at best and the Imperium wouldn’t copy xenos tech due to their hatred.

[War Angel]

Well sure. Anything can inspire anyone. eg: Someone saw a monkey throw a rock so they built a gun. Both are ranged, weaponized projectiles.

You can just as easily say he was inspired after he saw the Tau or Eldar tanks in action - those are more similar in function to the Astartes hover tanks, whist Tau Piranhas are similar to speeders.

Would Cawl know about the Tau? He’s been working on this stuff since before RG went into stasis, and Tau are like, last thousand years at best, only being about 4k years old.

[Ishagu]

 

Well sure. Anything can inspire anyone. eg: Someone saw a monkey throw a rock so they built a gun. Both are ranged, weaponized projectiles.

You can just as easily say he was inspired after he saw the Tau or Eldar tanks in action - those are more similar in function to the Astartes hover tanks, whist Tau Piranhas are similar to speeders.

Would Cawl know about the Tau? He’s been working on this stuff since before RG went into stasis, and Tau are like, last thousand years at best, only being about 4k years old.

Cawl is extremely well travelled and informed. He knows about all major Xenos and more.

He isn't a singular individual doing this by himself, he has an army of agents and Legions of tech priests and explorers at his command, and he has vast forges on Mars and other places.

 

He probably has more info on everything from Xenos to Daemons to alien technologies than anyone bar the Emperor himself.

 

You should read the novel "The Great Work“

Edited August 26, 2020 by Ishagu

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Does it say anywhere he was influenced by xenos because that’s heresy .

[Ishagu]

He uses xeno-tech and communicates with various Xenos often enough.

 

He also admits when Xenos technology is superior to the Imperium's and has no issues about studying and replicating it. That's part of his current project on the orders of Guilliman.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Ishagu

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Where does he say that ?

[War Angel]

I should read that book.

[Ishagu]

"Dark Imperim 1" and "the Great Work" novels.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Thanks . Still I doubt he invisions impulsors and repulsors based upon Tau gun boats .

[Ishagu]

No, they are probably more sophisticated if anything. But I wouldn't be surprised if he observes how the hover vehicles were more effective on the battlefield.

[War Angel]

No, they are probably more sophisticated if anything. But I wouldn't be surprised if he observes how the hover vehicles were more effective on the battlefield.

Less effective, they are incapable of crushing their foes without having to actually touch them (in game terms, subtracting 2 from charge ranges)

 

The gun is nice I guess, idk, I don’t talk fish people.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Cawl "anything you can do we can do better"

[Snazzy]

Mainlining use of xenos tech?  That's a heresy.

[War Angel]

Mainlining use of xenos tech?  That's a heresy.

I think it’s more “oh look, they have a thing that does a thing, I can make something that does it better”

[Doghouse]

I thought the original design idea was that they are an attempt at recreating Grav technology but work in a much cruder way by pushing the tank up rather than making it hover because they don't have the knowledge anymore. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in one of the GW interviews, might have been the first Jes Goodwin one.

[chapter master 454]

So wait, Cawl just suddenly appears and does the thing, the big thing, that the entire mechanicus is literally against to extremis. He literally does everything his own facton detests: Retro-Engineering technology to understand it and develop along with observing, researching and implementing xenos tech?

 

Not sure whether to like that or not...I mean it should of happened sooner but I am not sure I am ok with one character who appeared suddenly at the end of 7th, start of 8th, being such a one man/machine/server of change within a faction as important as the mechanicus.

 

I do wonder then the thought process of why he is just slapping these repulsor plates on everything as a means of lift, why hasn't he come up with his own version of a storm shield and give us Breacher Primaris Marines with Plasma Shotguns?

[War Angel]

So wait, Cawl just suddenly appears and does the thing, the big thing, that the entire mechanicus is literally against to extremis. He literally does everything his own facton detests: Retro-Engineering technology to understand it and develop along with observing, researching and implementing xenos tech?

 

Not sure whether to like that or not...I mean it should of happened sooner but I am not sure I am ok with one character who appeared suddenly at the end of 7th, start of 8th, being such a one man/machine/server of change within a faction as important as the mechanicus.

 

I do wonder then the thought process of why he is just slapping these repulsor plates on everything as a means of lift, why hasn't he come up with his own version of a storm shield and give us Breacher Primaris Marines with Plasma Shotguns?

Technically he’s been doing this for 9,000 or so years, (before RG was “killed”). I’ve seen it said that he has people who work under him, so maybe you can’t say it’s one person that did it.

 

As to it being a character who suddenly appeared at the end of an edition... that’s how new characters work, if everything was always done by an already existing character, we wouldn’t have a diverse character base. It’s good to develop new characters.

[Snazzy]

Lots of what Cawl has accomplished has been prefaced in the Horus Heresy series.  I don't know about the release dates and if those leads predate Cawl's 40K appearance.  But, yeah.  Lots of McGuffins like the Magna Mater to help explain how Cawl is able to do what others can't.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Yeah chapter master 455 that’s pretty much how it works bruh.  I remember when the 3.5 CSM codex introduced Lucius, Typhus... Doom Rider went bye bye never to be seen again. Tau introduced Farsight and the fusion wielding fish girl... funny how that works ain’t it. Now we’ve got a whole new host of Primaris characters to boot as well. GeeDub seems to like special characters from time to time. I could mention all the Necron characters rolled out in fifth edition but it’s late here now. TLDR GeeDub likes their special characters.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

More people need to read The Great Work, I definitely recommend it.

[Ishagu]

More people need to read The Great Work, I definitely recommend it.

It's basically mandatory reading. Everyone needs to pick it up. Not only does it explain a lot, but it also justifies it - That's the most important thing.

[Captain Idaho]

Justifies it from one perspective ;)

 

40K is all about clashing of perspectives. That and aliens harvesting your organs or daemons eating your soul.

 

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Moving things back the original topic in hand; it would be very likely the both the Land Speeder Storm and Impulsor have inspiration sourced from elsewhere, conceptually. I don't think there are many modelling cues within the 2 that derive from one to the other, but there may well be some aesthetic similarities since they're Marines.

 

I find myself thinking back to the Horus Heresy art of the World Eaters Rhino and the infantry borne within clambering all over it. The Impulsor reminds me of that before the Land Speeder.