Contemptor Butcher Cannons

[Squike]

What are people using as Butcher Cannons on their Contemptors?

 

FW don’t actually list anything other than for the Decimator, and that doesn’t look like it will fit nicely.

 

And in the new 9th would you suggest 2 x BC or a BC and a Claw?

[Karhedron]

Previously I would have said 2 BC but 9th edition looks like it will reward mixed loadouts on Dreads. You can move and fire at full effect as well as shooting in melee. BC, Claw and HF looks like it has potential.

[Special Officer Doofy]

Everyone I've seen uses the autocannons for butcher cannons on contemptors, deredos and leviathans. Edited September 4, 2020 by Putrid Choir

[WarriorFish]

Autocannons are butcher cannons - they're a slightly different Chaos version. I checked in the Forgeworld store before I bought them

 

I may be a bit biased as I play EC, but with the claw always works well for me across armies. The close combat capabilities of the Contemptor are very nice, and especially so with the Hellforged rule. Lets the Dread perform a more versatile support role, especially close support with Marines

[Marshal Loss]

I may be a bit biased as I play EC, but with the claw always works well for me across armies. The close combat capabilities of the Contemptor are very nice, and especially so with the Hellforged rule. Lets the Dread perform a more versatile support role, especially close support with Marines

Was about to say you weren't biased but then I realised I also play EC...

 

To answer OP: on a model as expensive as a Leviathan/Contemptor, magnetise your choices so you get both! It's really easy to do. I'm a big fan of a solitary claw - whether you're playing a more CC heavy army or a gunline that needs some counter-attack potential, it will rarely disappoint. The strictly competitive choice is to load the dread up with guns though.

Edited September 4, 2020 by Marshal Loss

[Squike]

It’s definitely gonna get magnetised.

 

What are people opinions on running quad heavy bolters, when they go to 2 damage that is?

[Karhedron]

Heavy 12, S5, Ap-1, D2 or

Heavy 8, S8, Ap-1, D2

 

I guess it depends on what other anti-tank you have in your army. BC probably has the edge if you want to crack Rhinos, Eldar skimmers etc. The QHB is much more a dedicated anti-infantry weapon. Part of it will probably depend on what the points turn out to be. I would lean towards the BC still but QHB definitely has merit.

[RolandTHTG]

I used the Forgefiend weapons, with some ammo boxes added. Here's a pic from ETL, the size looks more reasonable in person, the camera is playing some perspective tricks.

[Brom MKIV]

Another shout out for dreadclaw + ranged weapon here. Both mine used this in 8th even though the twin BC was strictly better.

Now its much closer. But my issue is that the BCs are feeling worse lately, for a few reasons.

 

Anyway when the twin HBs go to d2 they will out perform BCs against T4 units but not against mech.

 

Another option to think about is just to lean into the combat build and run double ep blasters. Puts the model at 6 attacks and 4 S8 ap3 d2 shots for 155 pts. Drawback is 18". That said, movement 9" plus advance if needed makes this loadout pretty attractive atm. Its what I'm running for now but I haven't actually changed my models yet until I know I wanna stick with it. 

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Magnetise! I'm leaning towards mixed dreads now, but can see some duel loadouts working, butcher cannons I am not sure due to the price increase but they are good enough to warrent trying.

[Aeternus]

Do people find that the 10 more points for chainclaw over dreadclaw is worth it? Imagine if you're keeping a cc weapon more as an anti-cc measure if you're charged it'd be less of a good idea than if you're actually planning on getting the contemptor into cc at some point.

 

Though I imagine most things you're hitting with a -3 rend will have an invuln that comes up making the -4 rend redundant.

[Brom MKIV]

Its more useful now then in the past I'd imagine. I haven't tried them recently but now I find myself considering them again. The main benefit would be against DR type abilities to help each unsaved wound drop a model. Or vs mech.

Edited September 4, 2020 by Brom MKIV