Core Units - Huge Change

[FabulousRex]

I think this will a minor nerf for us, but we came out the best among all the Marines. +1 to hit means we might as well have a monopoly on (now) old school Smash Captains.

 

Nominally this will encourage bare bones HQs, but we can still load up and drop the hammer. St. Ragnar is right, we (for now) have several "reroll melee hits" stratagems that are cheap and suddenly super useful.

 

My biggest concern is what happens to Bjorn and Arjac. Bjorn I'm wondering if he will count as a Wolf Lord. Arjac I wonder if his +1 attack for Wolf Guard will still effect him, probably by oversight.

[lonewolf81]

I dont know if it was mentioned before by anyone in here but in fb they wrote that helfrost cannon and fenrisian great axe is 3+D3 damage and bjorn's movement went down to 6 inches. They mentioned that this info came from a reboxed dread kit. 

Edited September 18, 2020 by lonewolf81

[The Saint Ragnar]

I dont know if it was mentioned before by anyone in here but in fb they wrote that helfrost cannon and fenrisian great axe is 3+D3 damage and bjorn's movement went down to 6 inches. They mentioned that this info came from a reboxed dread kit.

Do you have a photo of the re-box we can go over? I would be surprised that they would show the stats of the character version a box can make in those.

[Gherrick]

Changing the dread melee weapons from d6 to 3+d3 makes a ton of sense, so I hope that is accurate. This would make Bjorn into a solid killer of damn near everything, even with losing the reroll. They still need to make all dreads get a 2+ base save.

[Guest Triszin]

Helfrost 3d3 is interesting,bit I'm curious as to the helfrost rule, I hope it's been changed

[Wispy]

i look forward to my buddies dismay when i roll 9 damage everytime on these D3s

Edited September 19, 2020 by Wispy

[FabulousRex]

Helfrost would be better with more Utility than damage, I think. A stratagem to halve all movement on a hit would be thematic and powerful at the same time.

[The Saint Ragnar]

Something like the tremor shells for the Thunderfire Cannon.

[Dark Shepherd]

Doubt we'll get anything that fancy

Theyll probably stick to some form of mortal wound mechanic

 

A lot of people (and podcasters) I think are getting too much false hope of getting EVERYTHING from the marine codex

[DanPesci]

 

My biggest concern is what happens to Bjorn and Arjac. Bjorn I'm wondering if he will count as a Wolf Lord. Arjac I wonder if his +1 attack for Wolf Guard will still effect him, probably by oversight.

 

 

Bjorn id expect to be just like a wolf lord/captain and do re-roll 1s for core units.

 

Arjac- Reroll 1 on wounds like a lieutenant (so only core), +1 attack to anything with a wolf/blade guard keyword (and he ends up with neither so doesnt affect himself)

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Bjorn is a weird case I'm not sure if he would be the detachments Jarl or not. IMO he probably is the only character that could "inspire" our other characters so well it's likely he only effects core I think it's possible he has a better aura than most.

 

I really wish they'd given us a list of core units just to start getting use to the change. Plus it would give us an ideal of how big of an effect it will have.

[Dark Shepherd]

Bjorn is a weird case I'm not sure if he would be the detachments Jarl or not. IMO he probably is the only character that could "inspire" our other characters so well it's likely he only effects core I think it's possible he has a better aura than most.

 

I really wish they'd given us a list of core units just to start getting use to the change. Plus it would give us an ideal of how big of an effect it will have.

He doesnt have the wolflord keyword or Belt of Russ so I think he could be our to circumvent the one captain rule

 

Thematically hes not a Lord hes just really old and choc full of sage advice

[Havok13]

Potentially could have a new rule, instead of gaining a cp, that you can add him to a detachment in addition to the hq allocation of the detachment.

 

Wish listing I know :)

Edited September 20, 2020 by Havok13

[FabulousRex]

I have a feeling that the Wisdom of the Ancients stratagem will effect everything in range. Simplify the rules and make dreads more appealing. That being the case, maybe Bjorn will work on Core + Characters. IE: not on tanks anymore, but probably character models.

[One Two Wolf]

Arjac remains strong, he has a special rule to reroll 1's against characters and there is always a strat for reroll wounds. I'm sure the plus one attack will still apply to him, it is a totally separate thing from rerolling ones to hit. What a boss.

[Gherrick]

Arjac remains strong, he has a special rule to reroll 1's against characters and there is always a strat for reroll wounds. I'm sure the plus one attack will still apply to him, it is a totally separate thing from rerolling ones to hit. What a boss.

I agree his anti-character buff (being personal) should remain unchanged (although with TH getting boosted to D4, hopefully his will change to d3+1). His WG buff will likely get an additional qualifier of non-character or "other WG" units. GW seemed pretty clear they didn't want "leadership" buffs to affect characters, especially  themselves.

Edited September 22, 2020 by Gherrick

[One Two Wolf]

I wonder if the WG strats can be applied to him right now. I am thinking yes they can; is that a bit gamey?

[lonewolf81]

 

I dont know if it was mentioned before by anyone in here but in fb they wrote that helfrost cannon and fenrisian great axe is 3+D3 damage and bjorn's movement went down to 6 inches. They mentioned that this info came from a reboxed dread kit.

Do you have a photo of the re-box we can go over? I would be surprised that they would show the stats of the character version a box can make in those.

 

 

I dont have the photos but i saw them and looks like the guy in the fb was solid. Those "reboxed" datashets have many errors but the D3+3 is a great buff for helfrost and the axe if true and not a typo. The wulfen dread and murderfang still move 8"

 

 

PS: The datasheet i am dying to see is the stormfang now with the new rules for flyers and reserves (come in turn 2 without taking any damage turn 1) plus the new weapon profiles its gonna be brutal 

Edited September 22, 2020 by lonewolf81

[Dark Shepherd]

I wonder if the WG strats can be applied to him right now. I am thinking yes they can; is that a bit gamey?

Hes got the wolf guard keyword so go for it

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

I wonder if the WG strats can be applied to him right now. I am thinking yes they can; is that a bit gamey?

Not sure how its gamey as he's a member of Logan grimnars wolf guard so seems fluffy too.

[gnalbel]

 

 

 

 

 

[Gherrick]

Well, interesting that helfrost got it's range boosted to 36", as well as the focused beam is d3+3. Seems like the dispersed profile should have been upped to d2 then, but oh well.

[Guest Triszin]

Huh, helfrost looking decent now

 

I hope the helfrost rule has changed

[Dark Shepherd]

Fenrisian Great Axe up to D3 + 3 too which is nice

[Guest Triszin]

Hell frost range now 36"