BLACK BLΠFLY Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 So if the Incursor paired knives are a natural AP1 are they a better choice than assault Intercessors since they has bolters ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Could be. Assault intercessors get thunderhammers/powerfists though... and an extra attack. That is a big deal. Both are really good. >< Edited September 30, 2020 by Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch painting.for.my.sanity and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5608906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Assault Intercessors are cheaper and have more attacks. Also in the next codex we don't know what kind of Strat support the various units will have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5608972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Assault Intercessors are cheaper and have more attacks. Also in the next codex we don't know what kind of Strat support the various units will have. This. also depends on how valuable advance deployment is to you. Caveat on any further posts I make: I'm a massive Incursor fanboy. Best primaris troop for me. Edited September 30, 2020 by Riddlesworth Indefragable and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5608991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 If I didn't already own 20 Infiltrators I would definitely get some Incursors lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I only have 10 but I agree. The ability to have a unit that naturally infiltrates into the mid field is a must. I just wish they had a pregame ability to activate smoke, so they would be more survivable. Which brings me to Assault Intercessors still should be part of your game plan regardless. Imo they are the perfect second wave of ObSec to continue to hold the middle of the field because your opponent is going to blow the Incursors off the Objectives with or without a native -1 AP. :) BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Is this a 9th ed. change? The old datasheets I see say AP0.Aye: There is speculation that this may be a typo, but we’ll know soon enough. Edited September 30, 2020 by Juggernut Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I think the biggest advantage that assault Intercessors have over incursors is being able to upgrade their sergeant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I may have to modify my infiltrators to be incursors... BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) I only have 10 but I agree. The ability to have a unit that naturally infiltrates into the mid field is a must. I just wish they had a pregame ability to activate smoke, so they would be more survivable. Which brings me to Assault Intercessors still should be part of your game plan regardless. Imo they are the perfect second wave of ObSec to continue to hold the middle of the field because your opponent is going to blow the Incursors off the Objectives with or without a native -1 AP. wave 2 for me is the gravis pain train, but I recognize assault intercessors are a really good fit for this I will say though, without significant changes, this change moves reivers even closer to the bin Edited September 30, 2020 by Riddlesworth Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I don't consider Incursors (with AP1 blades) and Assault Intercessors to be mutually exclusive.One is better in melee (more attacks, sgt-options) and cheaper, the other is better at shooting and has infiltrate. Both are good and different enough to not make the other superfluous. I often bring a squad of each and I will probably continue to do so post 9th Ed. codex. The only difference will be that both squads are better in close combat. Dracos, Brother Captain Vakarian and mel_danes 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I would not mind anyone running Infiltrators as Incursors. My own two squads are a mishmash of both kits; they have Infiltrator helmets and scopes (as I don't like the Incursor visors or bolter scopes) and lots of knives, and no one has commented on the fact that they look more like Infiltrators than Incursors when I run them as the latter despite the fact that one has the Infiltrator comms kit, and another is clearly a Helix Adept conversion. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I am just holding out for the codex. Right now I have a box waiting assembly and the scales are sliding towards Incursors. I do agree that I am not a fan of the visors and I will probably run mine as a mish-mash of parts. I am not going to Infiltrators and Incursors at the same time so as long as my opponent knows what they are, it should be no problem. Sword Brother Adelard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 wave 2 for me is the gravis pain train, but I recognize assault intercessors are a really good fit for this I will say though, without significant changes, this change moves reivers even closer to the bin Totally with you on the Gravis but as RG mine arrive via Deep Strike while the Intercessors use a Infiltrate strat to give early support to my Infiltrators. Ive normally used Aggressors but looking to try to wedge Blade Guard in. Primaris don’t have the luxury of Custodes or Death Guard. We don’t have Troops with Invuls or +++. Matter of fact until Blade Guard no units with Invul beside characters. We just have the toughness to sit there and take a pounding like that. Imo waves of Infiltrating units reinforced with Intercessors is out best way to stay durable midfield. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I think we do have to wait and see if the ap-1 thing is true or not. If it is, these guys are pretty serious. For all we know, there's even a chance they'll be able to give Sergeants proper weapons... and we don't know how much the two units will cost. Incursors' guns are really quite respectable in 9th. Penalties to hit are pretty common and these guys just ignore them completely. I think this might make them a great unit for Deathwatch if they can use SIA. For other armies I'm not so sure, as ultimately it's still just S4 ap0 shooting - or ap-1 in tactical doctrine. Their guns might not be amazing but I think these guys still look like solid performers. Right now they're only a point more than intercessors and their infiltration is already probably worth that. The extra stuff is just gravy. Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Over on one of the other threads it has been reported that Incursor knives are AP-1 but have lost exploding 6s. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Also Assault Intercessors are now the only unit that gets the "Honour the Chapter" strat, apparently. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Also Assault Intercessors are now the only unit that gets the "Honour the Chapter" strat, apparently. Is there a source on that? Riddlesworth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 just the dakka leaks, but it isn't surprising, assault intercessors were bound to get something for fight twice, because regular ones have something for shoot twice. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 just the dakka leaks, but it isn't surprising, assault intercessors were bound to get something for fight twice, because regular ones have something for shoot twice. Really? Not surprising that nothing else can fight twice? Not even terminators or veterans? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 just the dakka leaks, but it isn't surprising, assault intercessors were bound to get something for fight twice, because regular ones have something for shoot twice.Really? Not surprising that nothing else can fight twice? Not even terminators or veterans? The datacards have nearly doubled in price and don't include a maelstrom deck. Therell be an overload of strats Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 just the dakka leaks, but it isn't surprising, assault intercessors were bound to get something for fight twice, because regular ones have something for shoot twice. Really? Not surprising that nothing else can fight twice? Not even terminators or veterans? I suspect they generally wanted ot remove the overall option, and give assault intercessors a gimmick to help them sell, so no, not surprising at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Honestly as much as it’s a nerf overall, imagine a large unit of Outriders with Honor the Chapter. Even life long Astartes ride or die guy like myself sees that as too much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 Dakka rumors should be viewed skeptically. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 True but a broke watch is right twice a day ... watch ... with dials ... that's a thing that a thing you strap to your wrist and the "hands" move in circles when it works ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366745-if-incursor-blade-is-native-1-ap/#findComment-5609881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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