TheUnlikelyGamer84 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I’m a huge proponent of using any extra movement possible for our army to stay in melee. While trying to build new lists Post FAQ I came across something interesting. Canticle of hate still gives us 6” pile in and consolidate. Swift hunters also gives plus 1” to pile in and consolidate. So if you don’t base the enemy model that’s 14” of movement a turn with careful positioning. Stipulation for charge etc is move closer to enemy model and be within 1/2” for engagement range. Could be great for getting full 6man thunderwolf squad into combat or using a large mob of boys or Necron warriors to skate across the board out side of the movement and charge phases. Hopefully that made sense. TiguriusX, Filius and ranulf the revenant 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Where it could shine is really wrapping and srrounding a unit Other than T1 charges :) Average dice that combo on TWC is about 26' charge range Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnlikelyGamer84 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 Really? I’m not particularly great at statistics. I was betting on t1 charges if opponent went first. *Modest rolls*. 10”m 3Adv charge 6”+2 = 21” if I’m planning conservatively. Then only one model need to make it worst case scenario. Follow up pile of 7” then after fighting consolidate 7” more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranulf the revenant Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 So... the new bike chaplain/ wolf priest seems to be a good companion to thunderwolf cavalry, hmmm :)? Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) So... the new bike chaplain/ wolf priest seems to be a good companion to thunderwolf cavalry, hmmm :)?Heck yeah. Give him Adamantine Mantle to make him super survivable too Really? I’m not particularly great at statistics. I was betting on t1 charges if opponent went first. *Modest rolls*. 10”m 3Adv charge 6”+2 = 21” if I’m planning conservatively. Then only one model need to make it worst case scenario. Follow up pile of 7” then after fighting consolidate 7” more 10 move 3.5 aversge advance 7 to 9 average charge with reroll? 2 litany 1 engagement range Edited October 7, 2020 by Dark Shepherd ranulf the revenant and Filius 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 So... the new bike chaplain/ wolf priest seems to be a good companion to thunderwolf cavalry, hmmm ? A fast moving healing/buffing machine. Whoda thunkit? ranulf the revenant 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnlikelyGamer84 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) I was thinking the same Ranulf. except I’m bringIng mine as a biker slaplain. Master of sanctity- Canticle and Mantra. Imperium sword trait and benediction relic. Perhaps buff him with a Phobos Libby and MOH. So he can reroll charges, 8 attacks @ S9 -2 4dmg Edited October 7, 2020 by TheUnlikelyGamer84 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 A potential fly in the ointment is we dont know points yet for Wolf Priests rather than Chaplains nor for making them Masters of Sanctity Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnlikelyGamer84 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Primaris bike chap is confirmed 115 and master of sanctity is +25 pts. By multiple YouTube codex reviews. Currently the biker chap has the wolf priest keywords. Edited October 7, 2020 by TheUnlikelyGamer84 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnlikelyGamer84 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l0xb3fa844c I’d post a pic of the data sheet but I don’t know how Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranulf the revenant Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 So... the new bike chaplain/ wolf priest seems to be a good companion to thunderwolf cavalry, hmmm ? A fast moving healing/buffing machine. Whoda thunkit? me wants one... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Primaris bike chap is confirmed 115 and master of sanctity is +25 pts. By multiple YouTube codex reviews. Currently the biker chap has the wolf priest keywords. Yes but thats a Chaplain with a keyword, Im talking about the Wolf Priest that will be in our supplement. Wolfpriest will have things the Chaplain doesnt have like Healing Balms (which will be super on a Primaris biker as a self buff alone) So when our Codex Supplement drops we may well pay more for him, or not. Upgrade for Chapter Command may cost more as its 25 for Chaplain and 15 for Apothecary. We also dont know the exact rules and benefits yet for upgraded Wolf Priest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Primaris bike chap is confirmed 115 and master of sanctity is +25 pts. By multiple YouTube codex reviews. Currently the biker chap has the wolf priest keywords.Yes but thats a Chaplain with a keyword, Im talking about the Wolf Priest that will be in our supplement. Wolfpriest will have things the Chaplain doesnt have like Healing Balms (which will be super on a Primaris biker as a self buff alone) So when our Codex Supplement drops we may well pay more for him, or not. Upgrade for Chapter Command may cost more as its 25 for Chaplain and 15 for Apothecary. We also dont know the exact rules and benefits yet for upgraded Wolf Priest The rumor is our WP lost healing balms Ulrik had none on his errata sheet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnlikelyGamer84 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Ah I see. Do we have access to apoth now? If so he may not get that ability to use healing balms Edited October 7, 2020 by TheUnlikelyGamer84 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 It is very unlikely we will gain access to the Apothecary since the new codex specifically says Wolves cannot take them (along with Tacticals, Devastators, Vanguard, Sternguard etc). Our only hope is that Wolf Priests get these abilities restored in the supplement. It would be seriously sucky if we were the only Chapter to have no healing capability. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 what makes me think Wolf Priests are not losing Healing Balms is apothecaries were one of a handful of units we didnt get access to For Ulrik I think it was just a case of homogenising Chaplains/Priests for this brief window. Also a chance Healing Balms or Wolf Priest abilities may be getting buffed or changing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L30n1d4s Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Maybe Wolfpriests will gain a Strat that allows them to heal when the Supplement is released. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5613987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 My one concern is that Blood Angel Sanguinary Priests (who are apothecaries with a few extra buffs) did retain their dual roles in the BA Index. Would it have been hard to bolt healing balms onto Wolf Priests? Hopefully I am wrong but we shall see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5614008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Healing balms may become stratagem (like bringing back models that were removed for apothecaries). Otherwise our wolf priests should be more expensive than chaplains and pay for the rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5614023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 the current Apothecary abilities and strats like healing and ressurection don't work on cavalry. I hope they fix this when the give them to Wolf Priests Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5614051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) Healing balms may become stratagem (like bringing back models that were removed for apothecaries). Otherwise our wolf priests should be more expensive than chaplains and pay for the rule. I would have no problem with Wolf Priests being more expensive than Chaplains. They were in 8th edition and it seems the fairest solution. the current Apothecary abilities and strats like healing and ressurection don't work on cavalry. I hope they fix this when the give them to Wolf Priests This is actually something that gives me hope we will get it back in the Supplement since Cavalry aren't in the SM Codex so it would need different wording in ours rather than a copy-n-paste of an ability. Excuse me while I go back the clutching at straws. Edited October 8, 2020 by Karhedron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5614145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 the current Apothecary abilities and strats like healing and ressurection don't work on cavalry. I hope they fix this when the give them to Wolf Priests But yet Apothecaries can restore an Invader ATV back to life on full wounds ranulf the revenant 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5614164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 the current Apothecary abilities and strats like healing and ressurection don't work on cavalry. I hope they fix this when the give them to Wolf Priests But yet Apothecaries can restore an Invader ATV back to life on full wounds Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5614255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Maybe I'll get at least one game in with that RW apothecary bringing back ATVsI do think that TWC should be able to be brought back with a wolf priest, that would be nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5614256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 the current Apothecary abilities and strats like healing and ressurection don't work on cavalry. I hope they fix this when the give them to Wolf Priests But yet Apothecaries can restore an Invader ATV back to life on full wounds What? Where? How? I can't find any new FAQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366887-canticle-of-hate-swift-hunters/#findComment-5614286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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