Grey Knight characters likely to cross the Rubicon

[Skywrath]

Let's assume for a moment we get primaris, and we have primaris neophytes in the strike squads. Which existing character is most likely to cross the Rubicon, and why? Keen to hear your thoughts.

 

I got a bit of a weird one in that regard, but I suspect Draigo could be a prime candidate. Imagine a scenario where Draigo got injured badly enough (or killed) where the Rubicon was his only hope of surviving. So in the process of "dying" and crossing the Rubicon, the curse also broke, on the fact that he technically died. Then we have a Primaris Draigo with primarch level strength, ready to start purging demons on a level not seen since the Great Crusade. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Skywrath

[casb1965]

Vorth Mordrak would be an interesting one to cross the Rubicon, his story is really good but totally ignored since 5th edition.

[Skywrath]

Vorth Mordrak would be an interesting one to cross the Rubicon, his story is really good but totally ignored since 5th edition.

 

What is his story, never heard of it?

 

YAY, 1000th post!

 

EDIT: Just read the story, chills man, chills.

Edited October 12, 2020 by Skywrath

[Captain Coolpants]

If we were do get primaris. I think our first HQs would be stern, simply because hes lame but also cool. His strands of fate leads him to die and be reborn maybe?

 

And we'd probably get a generic brotherhood champion or something?

I honestly wouldn't expect us to get a lot.

[Skywrath]

If we were do get primaris. I think our first HQs would be stern, simply because hes lame but also cool. His strands of fate leads him to die and be reborn maybe?

 

And we'd probably get a generic brotherhood champion or something?

I honestly wouldn't expect us to get a lot.

 

You know, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Take the primaris range when it was first released in 8th edition. A lot of SM chapters got their chapter masters primarisfied/replaced. Like Korsarro Khan, Calgar, Agrax Agatone. 

 

What would be your thoughts of Voldus got primarisfied or promoted to Supreme Grand Master if Kaldor died?

[INKS]

Semi related, hope you don't mind. 

Have we seen the conversion to Primaris fail? I know that Gulliman went through it? Or maybe it was Calgar?

I assume since then others have gone through it. What if one of the GK or any other important character really goes through this process but then dies from it?

[Skywrath]

Semi related, hope you don't mind. 

Have we seen the conversion to Primaris fail? I know that Gulliman went through it? Or maybe it was Calgar?

I assume since then others have gone through it. What if one of the GK or any other important character really goes through this process but then dies from it?

 

I do not believe so. Gulliman never went through the rubicon though, he was already that and more. I believe the conversion process is something like this: 

Firstborn marine > Primaris Marine > Primarch. 

 

So as you can see, Gulliman transcended "primaris" stage, as to be technically called a primarch, you would need two halves of an implant, which the primaris use a half of. The other half was set to be erased by the Emperor himself, apparently, despite Cawl's best efforts to replicate it. 

 

Fluff-wise, I think it's inevitable that some firstborn die to it (after-all, the 66% failure rate implies people have died to it), but as with all technology, such technology only gets refined. You could even draw the connection that the fact that firstborn units are getting 2W each is an implication that something happened in the process, and they are equivalent to primaris now. 

[Gederas]

Semi related, hope you don't mind. 

Have we seen the conversion to Primaris fail? I know that Gulliman went through it? Or maybe it was Calgar?

I assume since then others have gone through it. What if one of the GK or any other important character really goes through this process but then dies from it?

I do not believe so. Gulliman never went through the rubicon though, he was already that and more. I believe the conversion process is something like this: 

Firstborn marine > Primaris Marine > Primarch. 

 

So as you can see, Gulliman transcended "primaris" stage, as to be technically called a primarch, you would need two halves of an implant, which the primaris use a half of. The other half was set to be erased by the Emperor himself, apparently, despite Cawl's best efforts to replicate it. 

 

Fluff-wise, I think it's inevitable that some firstborn die to it (after-all, the 66% failure rate implies people have died to it), but as with all technology, such technology only gets refined. You could even draw the connection that the fact that firstborn units are getting 2W each is an implication that something happened in the process, and they are equivalent to primaris now.

So far every named Primaris character is a Firstborn Marine who has gone through the Rubicon successfully.

 

And yeah, Guilliman is on a whole other level. I'd also stick Custodes between Primaris Marines and Primarch, but that's just me.

[Brother Tyler]

As far as I know, GW hasn't named any of those that failed (died) undergoing the embiggening, but they have alluded to the fact that not everyone has survived. GW rightly realizes that killing off any named characters in this way would disenfranchise someone. So the named characters all miraculously survive the statistical likelihood of dying on the operating table and the century+ of combat between 7th and 8th (now 9th) editions. It's almost as if getting a name (and rules) comes with the unwritten Plot Invulnerability rule (Ferrus Manus excepted ). And if some people had their way, some named characters would also survive the trope of being lost in the warp.

 

At this point, I just want to see someone [important] die during the process in order to drive home the fact that the process isn't guaranteed for everyone. If I had to pick just one Grey Knights character for embiggening, I'd pick Brother-Captain Stern (I'm old fashioned that way ).

 

If I had my druthers, though, I'd kill 'em all. 

[Captain Coolpants]

I'd honestly rather they release a new character for primaris. one of the other grand masters. Are there another 6 or 7 that are named but currently have no model/rules?

 

I feel this would likely be easier. Though saying that, voldus did have a part in waking girlyman and thus, starting the whole primaris ball rolling.

 

I'd rather draigo doesn't become primaris. He needs to die doing something mega epic.

 

Or something super silly in a nod to how ridiculous his fluff has been in the past, and have him transcend into another level of sillyness, and become a st celestine type character. That floats around in a radiant light doing good deeds around the universe haha.

[Sothalor]

I'd toss in a bet for Stern: he has existing rules, so likely minimal design effort required on that front. He has a model - one of the oldest remaining GK models. Let's be real, how many people use the finecast Brother-Captain or Brotherhood Champion models over just doing a little bit of customization/conversion to one of the excellent plastic sculpts? 

 

And his fluff has basically sat around in limbo forever. You ask me, he's a prime candidate for the Rubicon if/when the Knights of Titan get their Primaris update.

[INKS]

Yeah Stern makes the most sense to me as well. The model is older than they others and could probably use an update

[librisrouge]

While Stern makes the most sense, I'd prefer they update Crow, if just to give him new rules. Plus, I think a Primaris Crow could look pretty cool.

[Captain Coolpants]

I was thinking crowe. But how would they have him transfer to primaris fluff wise? Doesn't he need constant concentration to stop the daemon escaping from his sword or something?

 

 

Maybe the daemon escapes? Critically wounding him, he turns primaris and then actually gets a good sword to use lol

[librisrouge]

I was thinking crowe. But how would they have him transfer to primaris fluff wise? Doesn't he need constant concentration to stop the daemon escaping from his sword or something?

 

 

Maybe the daemon escapes? Critically wounding him, he turns primaris and then actually gets a good sword to use lol

I would be 100% down with this.

[Skywrath]

Wasn't there something about his sword being akin to Drachyen? As in indestructible? 

[librisrouge]

Wasn't there something about his sword being akin to Drachyen? As in indestructible? 

Yep, which is why containing it is so critical. I would love some kind of fluff where the blade breaks free (perhaps freed by some champion of chaos looking for an ally; great opportunity for a new daemon character) and Crow is wounded in the event and is only saved by crossing the Rubicon primaris. 

[Freakshow668]

 

 

Wasn't there something about his sword being akin to Drachyen? As in indestructible?

Yep, which is why containing it is so critical. I would love some kind of fluff where the blade breaks free (perhaps freed by some champion of chaos looking for an ally; great opportunity for a new daemon character) and Crow is wounded in the event and is only saved by crossing the Rubicon primaris.

This should have been the background to our PA book!