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[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I suspect they'll start selling digital products again at some point. They're still doing it for some systems, and their 40k app has been a disaster for them IMO.

 

On a side note the wolf spears are the only successor name dropped. It does state that the successors were told by Logan to use the fang, claw, hunter organization that the wolves use. It also mentions one successor that doesn't want anything to do with the space wolves no name given.

[Sgt.Sangha]

So they dont actually name any successors or show any successor colour schemes other then mentioning wolf spear. But they do give rules on how to field them.

[Wispy]

There are no digital versions any more. You just get the code in the book to unlock the datasheets in the app

lame i  don't want to go buy something physical.

[NatBrannigan]

Has anyone else been able to unlock the codex on the app? I’ve put the code in, it’s shows as unlocked, but nothing is showing on the app...

 

Getting a bit sick of just how bad it is really, no real improvement and still no army builder

[Ragnar69]

Has anyone else been able to unlock the codex on the app? I’ve put the code in, it’s shows as unlocked, but nothing is showing on the app...

Getting a bit sick of just how bad it is really, no real improvement and still no army builder

Try to search for a unique datasheet like Wulfen dread. If you can open it, it's unlocked

[NatBrannigan]

That was always a datasheet so still shows up, but things like Frost sword / axe are still showing as wargear and there’s no sign of the frost weapon strategem...

 

I’ll send something over to GW but it doesn’t look like they’re actually doing anything about any of the issues.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

So they dont actually name any successors or show any successor colour schemes other then mentioning wolf spear. But they do give rules on how to field them.

They do have some art work for the wolf spears and the successor rules work like the other chapters so you still need the space marine book.

 

Got in a little test game, Rune priests are pretty impressive now. I do think Judicars and similar abilities need some clarification in a FAQ. It's just pretty easy to get that effect on a unit that charged that turn and its pretty confusing to resolve.

[Dark Shepherd]

Has anyone else been able to unlock the codex on the app? I’ve put the code in, it’s shows as unlocked, but nothing is showing on the app...

 

Getting a bit sick of just how bad it is really, no real improvement and still no army builder

If marine codex is anything to go buy you have to update the app in the play store or wherever

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

Any body looking closer at Whirlwind? I'm thinking they are looking pretty spiffy between the strat and the extra AP turn 1 they actually might be worth a bring now.

[TiguriusX]

Any body looking closer at Whirlwind? I'm thinking they are looking pretty spiffy between the strat and the extra AP turn 1 they actually might be worth a bring now.

 

IMO not enough shots...not enough AP

 

What will you be firing your whirlwind at?

 

You average 4 shots

You average 2-3 hits

S7 is good and means you wound more than you fail

But AP1 means most things will be saving

 

 

If you are firing at marines you are likely to do 2 damage total

 

The scorpius was popular because it was just right (more shots and just enough AP)

[Karhedron]

I tried a WW the other days vs GKs and it was OK but nothing special. The ability to plink wounds out of LOS is a bit more useful with the greater terrain density that 9th encourages.

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Where it comes in handy is against opponents who use small sneaky units to grab distant objectives or score secondaries. Got a lone cyberwolf on a home objective or trying to score "Engage on all fronts"? Drop a round from the WW on its head. Similar if an opponent uses any min-strength weedy unit in the hope they will avoid attention.

 

It's not super powerful but it can be handy at preventing sneaky shennanigens.

[CrystalSeer]

I would like it simply to use the suppression strategem anywhere on a standard table.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I need to spend more time with the base book, that's the 4th way to make a unit go after our units during the fight phase. I think it's a bit too expensive in a really competitive slot, but I don't think taking one is going to lead to an auto loss. Indirect fire and the size of the model lets you block off a far amount of the board from deep strikers.

[Commander_Moustache]

Just asking as I cant find a rule about it anywhere, can we still use the stratagems from Saga of the beast?

[Karhedron]

Just asking as I cant find a rule about it anywhere, can we still use the stratagems from Saga of the beast?

No. Only the ones in the main SM Codex and our new supplement.

[Bryan Blaire]

IIRC, that was answered in the "Tide you over to the Supplement" FAQ & Errata for the current SM Codex (Index Astartes: Space Wolves). It says the following:

"The rules presented in the 8th edition (printed 2018) version of Codex: Space Wolves are no longer supported, and cannot be used. Similarly, if a Space Wolves rule from Psychic Awakening: Saga of the Beast does not feature within this document, it cannot be used. When Codex Supplement: Space Wolves is released, all of the rules within that will then replace and supersede this entire document, at which point none of the rules here can be used."

[Dark Shepherd]

Got my hands on it today, seems odd (thinking of newbies) that chapter tactic isnt in there (?)

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

Got my hands on it today, seems odd (thinking of newbies) that chapter tactic isnt in there (?)

A bit but the supplement cannot be used standard alone so they would need the big codex anyway which contains our tactic

[Commander_Moustache]

IIRC, that was answered in the "Tide you over to the Supplement" FAQ & Errata for the current SM Codex (Index Astartes: Space Wolves). It says the following:

"The rules presented in the 8th edition (printed 2018) version of Codex: Space Wolves are no longer supported, and cannot be used. Similarly, if a Space Wolves rule from Psychic Awakening: Saga of the Beast does not feature within this document, it cannot be used. When Codex Supplement: Space Wolves is released, all of the rules within that will then replace and supersede this entire document, at which point none of the rules here can be used."

Exactly what it says. And the language used is whats confusing me a little on the subject of startagems. 

 

Let me explain:

"if a Space Wolves rule from Psychic Awakening: Saga of the Beast does not feature within this document, it cannot be used" Right so this to me states very clearly that any Stratagem in SotB cant be used, unless it was also repeated in the pdf index. No problems there, clearly in place to be updated to the new edition and because of the new stuff in the main space marine codex. Buuuuuuut....and this is the rule writer in my mind is thinking...it does not state that NONE of the rules can be used, ONLY the rules not repeated. And all the stratagems in the Index, are also in in SotB.

 

So my brain is telling me

1) Stratagems like "Storm Strike" and "Duty Eternal" cannot be used because as they were never repeated in the Index.

2) "Counter Charge" and "Pack Hunters" have been updated in the codex suppliment, and thus you use the most up to date versions.

3) Stratagems like "Death Grip bite" and "Touch of the Wild" etc, are Identical in both SotB and the Index. So because they are repeated in the Index, they can still be used under the point "if a Space Wolves rule from Psychic Awakening: Saga of the Beast does not feature within this document, it cannot be used", but because they are not just from the index, they also satisfy the "When Codex Supplement: Space Wolves is released, all of the rules within that will then replace and supersede this entire document, at which point none of the rules here can be used" point.

 

I wont argue their use against anyone until we have confermation either way (which we will probably get when the next round of FAQs come, which will be sometime around the end of the world knowing GW). But I hope you can all see my reasoning for my thoughts at least.

[Bryan Blaire]

Okay, you’re searching for a way to use something you can’t, but justify to yourself you can.

 

The Codex: Space Marines and Space Wolves Supplement are out. You can no longer use anything printed before those to play Space Wolves. The text says that you can't use anything not written in the PDF, anything from before that is gone. Then it says that when the Codex and Supplement are both out, you can't use the PDF any more. It doesn't say that you can now go back and use things from before the PDF.

 

It also doesn’t say that you can’t use the 5th or 7th Edition Codex stuff, so I guess anything that wasn’t superseded in those books is also fair game to use now, right?

 

Don't get me wrong, I think it's ridiculous how short the shelf life of Saga of the Beast was, but it's no longer usable material.

[Commander_Moustache]

No need to be snarky. All Im saying is that theres been a lot of bemoaning about the loss of those strategems, which I have also done. Its just that when I asked for the rules that said they were gone, the answer was that paragraph in the index. And to me, that has left wiggle room. Would have been easier to write that none of the rules may be used.

 

Wouldnt be the first time I have seen phantoms where there are none, but it also wouldnt be the first time that GW has had some poor wording in their FAQs.

[Bryan Blaire]

If you have a question that you feel can only have an official answer, then it would be best to ask GW at their FAQ e-mail. We can't provide an official answer. If you want people to validate your view, I won't, and will explain why.

 

I don't see any wiggle room, the paragraph is plenty clear - everything not in the IA PDF was gone as of writing the PDF (because everything was superseded by the PDF), and the PDF was gone when the Supplement came out.

 

No snark in that.

 

I mean if it really meant what you said, then everything from Saga of the Beast is usable, because the last of the IA wording says "none of the rules here can be used." That would mean that any of the rules in the IA PDF would no longer matter, including the rules about things being superseded - so there wouldn't be a reason to limit it to only those Strategems listed in the PDF, but to use SotB instead, you would just use SotB whole hog, because nothing is superseded by rules that can no longer be used.

[Commander_Moustache]

I do plan to ask when I get back to my pc.

Just something felt off with the way they phrased things. Especially with how new the book is. Though with that stated, I am a fantasy player at heart and I remember End times. Last book was on the shelves for 3 months.

[Karhedron]

The new SM codex and SW Supplement completely replace everything that came before. All valid rules for Wolves in 9th edition are contained in those 2 volumes. The 8th edition codex, Saga of the Beast and the Index PDF are now obsolete.

 

It sucks that they had some cool stuff which has now gone, especially as I never got to play with Saga of the Beast thanks to lockdown. But thems the breaks. I don't think GW will issue an FAQ or anything on the subject. It has always been their standard practice that a new codex completely supersedes everything that came before.

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

For further evidence of complete replacement, Index Astartes:Space Wolves is no longer in the 40k App. If GW expected you to keep using it they would have left it. All that is there now is the supplement.