Runefyre Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Saga of the bear + pelt of the balewolf looks like a solid tank HQ build. I'm sad about all the nerfs to +1 attack auras, I really enjoyed maximizing those benefits. My DA buddy is enjoying better melee auras than me, which feels odd. That said there's a lot to be excited about. Good to see some buffs to our charges and overwatch negation is huge. Keen senses looks still looking as clutch as ever. Sad that Grimnar still lacks any of his vaunted tactical acumen in his datasheet. For a guy who's commanded whole warzones he really doesn't offer much for his army as a whole. Instincts awoken is a really cool new psychic power, though I'm sad to see FotWS go, I liked our pseudo-summoning ability. I had plans to eventually convert a set of Freki and Geri into psychic specters to run alongside my rune priest when the power was active. Oh well, I guess it saves me selling the rest of my soul to FW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Lost alot of strats, oddly 5 of the lost strats were in the get you by index which is kinda dumb. IMHO, the get you by should have got us by with things we would get to keep using. For me the saddest lost strat was lone wolf, not because it was particularly strong (though it wasn't bad either) but because its the final nail in the coffin for one of my favorite units/fluff bits. That said, this book looks to have alot of promise, I'm actually pretty excited for it, especially as we will finally have a stable ruleset for a while. Or at least we better or gw is gunna see piracy rates skyrocket cuz I'm kinda done buying rules for a while... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Only noticed from goonhammer...deed of saga of the hunter gives seift hunter units fall back and charge Also rites of war wlt great on twc Looking at strats we lost: vicious executioners touch of the wild crushing assault knowledge of the foe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 Losing Touch of the Wild hurts. Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Yes it does, as does Vicious Executioners. I think I’m happy enough overall, but those two hurt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Yea those losses hurt but I think they did a good job of spreading the on demand killing power across more of the army which is better overall IMO Valerian and VIth 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Yeah it feels like they tried to spread out the buffs, and toned down the hero hammer quite a bit. First impressions are good for me though. VIth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) Touch of the Wild was unlikely to survive for long especially with Ragnar etc existing and the extra attack stacks possible Wolf Guard lost out but are still really good. Edited October 31, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I think the Trophy bestowed strat to allow a pack leader a relic (as I understand it) is going to be really mean. That and Deed Worthy of Saga I think keep hero hammer alive and well just in a different and cooler form! VIth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) All I could see in a vid on information on successors. theres a successor page, that just says use space wolves stuff, replace "spacewolves" with " wolfspear, or whatever chapter name" looks like wolfspear colors are almost heresy wolf colors Edited October 31, 2020 by Triszin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIth Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 The 0CP 6” HI for Characters is a delightful surprise. Having army-wide 3” HI combined with a free character 6” HI is fantastic, IMHO. Relic winners remain Armor of Russ and Wulfen Stone, but man... that Balewolf pelt seems legit. And the psychic powers: I had dropped Rune Priests from my lists—thinking I’ll have to revisit that. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Scrubbing strats that just came out a few months prior feels bad. RIP Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I think the Trophy bestowed strat to allow a pack leader a relic (as I understand it) is going to be really mean. That and Deed Worthy of Saga I think keep hero hammer alive and well just in a different and cooler form! They can take from the Special Issue Wargear so Master Crafted Weapon, Frost Weapons, Bolts of Morkai etc Most options are survivability buffs though that dont really work though or psyker only PeteySödes 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) I really like saga of the bear, denying rerolls OUTRIGHT against your warlord sounds nice Scrubbing strats that just came out a few months prior feels bad. RIP ya, especially strats that were in the pdf "get through til supp" rules. odd Edited October 31, 2020 by Triszin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I’m pretty excited and the shenanigans Hunter can possibly provide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 sounds like Wolf spear is restocked by fenris directly, as it is fleet based, seems like it is also maintained by fenris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 The 0CP 6” HI for Characters is a delightful surprise. Having army-wide 3” HI combined with a free character 6” HI is fantastic, IMHO.. Unfortunately, unless I’m missing something, Heroic Intervention in 9th is much less worthwhile than it was in 8th. You’ll attack last, and can be targeted from any enemy units in Engagement Range. The always-helpful Goonhammer review: https://www.goonhammer.com/codex-supplement-space-wolves-the-goonhammer-review/ Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 The 0CP 6” HI for Characters is a delightful surprise. Having army-wide 3” HI combined with a free character 6” HI is fantastic, IMHO..Unfortunately, unless I’m missing something, Heroic Intervention in 9th is much less worthwhile than it was in 8th. You’ll attack last, and can be targeted from any enemy units in Engagement Range.The always-helpful Goonhammer review: https://www.goonhammer.com/codex-supplement-space-wolves-the-goonhammer-review/ Its taken a hit but Judiciar, new Psychic power, and Armour of Russ make opponents fight last, Company Champions, Canis, and others have an always fights first ability which helps HI can also bring buffs into range, or a much tougher unit for your opponent, or more units than they can kill in one round of combat Speaking of... Wolf Lord ChapterMaster on Thunderwolf w/stormshield Iron Resolve Angel Artifice T6 W9 1+/4++/6+++ Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 the space wolves are the Me First chapter with all these fight last, fight first rules. Dark Shepherd and VIth 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 the whole army is a step faster. Swift Hunters, Hunter Saga, Wulfen Stone used in tandem... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldWherewolf Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Am I reading Lukas the Trickster right? ".. Friendly Blood Claws.. unit within 6" of this model, each time a Blood Claws unit makes a melee attack, you can re-roll the hit roll.", and Lukas himself has the Blood Claws keyword. So he re-rolls both hits and melee wounds for himself, and has permanent transhuman. Add a BC pack + WP or RP and a drop pod, and you have a turn 1 in-your-face re-rolling everything monster ball. A RP with Null Zone turns off invulnerable saves too. I'm still trying to come up with a good combo for Company Veterans. Taking a Wolf Lord (Captain) makes a squad of vets not take up a Force Org slot, then a Company Champion (Canis ) doesn't take up a force org slot either. But you need a Rhino to get the vets up the field. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Sad to see Long Fangs look to have lost their built-in reroll of 1s to-Hit. With the removal of Wolf's Eye, they are a lot less self-sufficient than they used to be. I used to like that Characters could formerly plunge forward without needing to buff Long Fangs knowing that the old Grey Beards were more than capable of doing their jobs without anyone needing to tell them what to do. Ah well. We still have Keen senses so 5 MM Fangs in a Pod looks promising. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 Other than Reivers (that we now have the alternate unit Hounds of Morkai to replace), are there any obviously bad units? It seems like they've done a pretty decent job of making everything at least halfway viable. Speaks really well to their improvement of internally balancing units after so many years of missing the mark in that regard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 The 0CP 6” HI for Characters is a delightful surprise. Having army-wide 3” HI combined with a free character 6” HI is fantastic, IMHO..Unfortunately, unless I’m missing something, Heroic Intervention in 9th is much less worthwhile than it was in 8th. You’ll attack last, and can be targeted from any enemy units in Engagement Range.The always-helpful Goonhammer review: https://www.goonhammer.com/codex-supplement-space-wolves-the-goonhammer-review/ I agree that it's worse, they basically couldn't attack you in 8th which was silly. That said after chargers you get to pick 1st so you don't automatically go last, it allows you to protect/take objectives, it's extra movement, and most armies aren't going to be better than us in CC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/4/#findComment-5625618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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