NatBrannigan Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Not played with the new army wide HI but the old 6” character HI caused havoc and now that’s back as well as a 0CP strat. Tasty. Wolves look really strong and while we lost a couple of the best strays everything else really makes up for it. We (and the other non codex chapters) are also blessed that our older stuff is at least on par with its nearest Primaris competitor. No one is going to be taking Outriders over Thunderwolves for the rules and Wolf Guard go toe to toe with Blade Guard. Can’t wait to get this on the table! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templarphoenix Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 No company specific rules...GW hate us ironwolves. Well at least I can upgrade ironpriest to master of the forge... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Does the wolfspear lore imply that they have non-Primaris if they have warrior reinforcements from the SW?It seems like in the short term that might be how they approach Ultima founding DA/SW/BA chapters, make them not all Primaris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 No company specific rules...GW hate us ironwolves. Well at least I can upgrade ironpriest to master of the forge... You can use the successor chapter rules to tailor a list closer to an Iron Wolves army. You miss out on named characters- which none of them are iron wolves anyways. Master Artisans? Stalwart? Scions of forge? You miss out on using more than one SW relic though. You may not need more than 1. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIth Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I honestly don’t understand why they don’t have two new Great Companies to replace Iron Wolves and Fire Howlers. The Great Company’s heraldry is a reflection of the Wolf Lord’s temperament and it used to go to great lengths to explain how each Wolf Lord had shaped its company. Sven and Egil are both dead: they ought to introduce two new Wolf Lords and two new Great Companies. Wolf Lords die all the time, relatively speaking. The “they chose to keep the heraldry to honor their dead Wolf Lord” is a massive cop-out, IMHO. You kill off two Wolf Lords but then there are zero consequences. Worst of both worlds. Lord Ragnarok, HvitrValdyr, Antaonix and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Does the wolfspear lore imply that they have non-Primaris if they have warrior reinforcements from the SW? It seems like in the short term that might be how they approach Ultima founding DA/SW/BA chapters, make them not all Primaris. From the fluff blurb. They were under chapter strength, until they went to fenris where Logan gave them man power and supplies. So there's room for firstborn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Interesting turn. That was actually something I wasn't expecting to see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Does the wolfspear lore imply that they have non-Primaris if they have warrior reinforcements from the SW? It seems like in the short term that might be how they approach Ultima founding DA/SW/BA chapters, make them not all Primaris. From the fluff blurb. They were under chapter strength, until they went to fenris where Logan gave them man power and supplies. So there's room for firstborn Does it only mention Wolfspear or are there other Successors included in the book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvitrValdyr Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I honestly don’t understand why they don’t have two new Great Companies to replace Iron Wolves and Fire Howlers. The Great Company’s heraldry is a reflection of the Wolf Lord’s temperament and it used to go to great lengths to explain how each Wolf Lord had shaped its company. Sven and Egil are both dead: they ought to introduce two new Wolf Lords and two new Great Companies. Wolf Lords die all the time, relatively speaking. The “they chose to keep the heraldry to honor their dead Wolf Lord” is a massive cop-out, IMHO. You kill off two Wolf Lords but then there are zero consequences. Worst of both worlds. At least the Ironwolves got 2 new named Wolf lords. Have the Firehowlers at least chosen a new lord or are they still on the “waiting for Sven to show up cos they don’t believe he is dead” train? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Are there even any Firehowlers left or did they all board the Blackstone fortress before it exploded? GW is using the same companies since 2nd edition and I can see why. It would really suck if the company markings on your models would be invalidatet every few years :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Just noticed that the casting cost of a few of the Tempestus Powers seems to have come down. Notably Stormcaller is down to WC6 and still stacks nicely with Tempest's Wrath for -1 to Hit and +1 to our saves even when standing in the open. A squad of Hammernators can now have a 0+ save. VIth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templarphoenix Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Are there even any Firehowlers left or did they all board the Blackstone fortress before it exploded? GW is using the same companies since 2nd edition and I can see why. It would really suck if the company markings on your models would be invalidatet every few years :) Say this to Knights of Blood players, they are offically wiped out. VIth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Yeah Rune priests are really tempting right now. Murderous hurricane, tempest wraith, and storm caller all seem really good. In addition Instinct Awoken is worth testing. VIth and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5625952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I was hoping to avoid Thunderwolves. fluff wise I’ve cooled to the idea of space wolves riding wolves(I prefer a riderless cybernetic thunderwolf monstrosity..stronger and more intelligent with it’s enhancements..seems like a converting opportunity) It appears TDAWGs (my traditionally favorite option) may be in ascendancy so I may look into that. VIth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Terminators seem good, and bladeguard vets are solid as well if you run primaris. We have alot of options at the moment :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIth Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Are there even any Firehowlers left or did they all board the Blackstone fortress before it exploded? GW is using the same companies since 2nd edition and I can see why. It would really suck if the company markings on your models would be invalidatet every few years :) Sure, that’s practically why, and nothing stopping anyone from continuing to run those schemes just as there’s nothing stopping me from making my own great company with a red wolf head (from 30k HH decals) on a grey field the same color as the rest of their armor. Everyone has always been free to do that, but if GW is going advance the fluff/timeline then they should actually advance the fluff and the timeline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Terminators seem good, and bladeguard vets are solid as well if you run primaris. We have alot of options at the moment . It’s all on the menu. No exclusions for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) Does the wolfspear lore imply that they have non-Primaris if they have warrior reinforcements from the SW? It seems like in the short term that might be how they approach Ultima founding DA/SW/BA chapters, make them not all Primaris. From the fluff blurb. They were under chapter strength, until they went to fenris where Logan gave them man power and supplies. So there's room for firstborn Does it only mention Wolfspear or are there other Successors included in the book? i only know what I could glimpse from the sprus and brews youtube review --------------------------------------------------------------- where is the strat that lets a seargent take a relic? is that in the marine proper book? Edited November 1, 2020 by Triszin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Can anyone tell if the Venerable Dread with shield/axe, or Helfrost, and Bjorn are still in the Supplement as a data sheet? I can't seem to find it on the GW site, and while I know a couple of places in town that's have one, don't want to panic buy or get something that isn't going to be able to be used. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) Can anyone tell if the Venerable Dread with shield/axe, or Helfrost, and Bjorn are still in the Supplement as a data sheet? I can't seem to find it on the GW site, and while I know a couple of places in town that's have one, don't want to panic buy or get something that isn't going to be able to be used. I think they are technically in the marine proper book with the options? ya its in the primary space marine book Venerable is in primary marine book bjorn is in supp wulfen drad in supp murderfang in supp Edited November 1, 2020 by Triszin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 A fast and punchy list built around TWC, Bladeguard in Impulsors and some nicely customised TDAWG led by a Warlord with Rites of War could potentially be brutal. Add a squad of Heavy Intercessors to hold the home Objective and a bit of long ranged firepower and you should be good to go. Lord Ragnarok 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Can anyone tell if the Venerable Dread with shield/axe, or Helfrost, and Bjorn are still in the Supplement as a data sheet? I can't seem to find it on the GW site, and while I know a couple of places in town that's have one, don't want to panic buy or get something that isn't going to be able to be used. Bjorn is still in there. The Axe/Shield Ven Dread is actually in the vanilla codex although strangely the Helfrost option isn't. I would guess the Helfrost is in the supplement but not sure on that one. But the kit is very much still useful. For what it's worth, I can't imagine them ditching a weapon option that is in the kit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) I think it's being reboxed, things like Corvus Blackstar, Wulfen and the BA tactical squad are also down. Highly doubt those are being retired, all are quite new kits. Could be they have delays between getting new packaging or something. Dreadnought options are in base codex, and all the others still have datasheets as well, so all evidence is in favor of reboxing for factions about to be featured. Edited November 1, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 where is the strat that lets a seargent take a relic? is that in the marine proper book? It’s in the supplement, I believe it’s the one called “Thane of the retinue”. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 (edited) where is the strat that lets a seargent take a relic? is that in the marine proper book? It’s in the supplement, I believe it’s the one called “Thane of the retinue”.And its special issue wargear section of the relics too so Artificer Armour Master-Crafted Weapon Digital Weapons Morkai’s Teeth Bolts Wolf Tail Talisman Frost Weapon *forgot Adamantine Mantle I think* Edited November 1, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367292-upcoming-supplement/page/6/#findComment-5626129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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