Pay someone to write you an OP army list, a new hobby low?

[Beaky Brigade]

I saw this delightful gem as a targeted ad on Facebook (which I pretty much only use for staying in touch with hobby stuff).

As someone who is very much a blue moon gamer who prefers narrative this is both pretty pathetic and hilarious at the same time. Are people really reduced to cheating at their homework to stay competitive in 40k?

Even though there is nothing legally or ethically wrong with this service it brings to mind essay writing services people cheat university with. I like the idea that playing 40k is just a waste of time and money with an unoptimised list. Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?

BTW just to head it off don't DM me and ask for further details about this :D

Edited October 30, 2020 by Beaky Brigade

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

The funniest part of that is we already have plenty of ways to get tournament winning lists for free. That and the sites reviewing those lists give a summary of how it works all for clicks not cash.

[Beaky Brigade]

The funniest part of that is we already have plenty of ways to get tournament winning lists for free. That and the sites reviewing those lists give a summary of how it works all for clicks not cash.

It it's almost tempting to pay just to see which site they copy and paste your tailored list from...

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

If you rely on someone else to write your list you’ll never learn much... having your list you wrote vetted is a good idea.

[tychobi]

What you pay for is the how to play this list and match up breakdown from an experienced tournament player. Can be really helpful if you want to break into high level warhammer without years of practice. Is it as good as loosing a hundred or so tournament games? No. But its faster!

[Lord Marshal]

Some people have more money than sense, especially in this hobby.

[NovemberIX]

Gotta respect the hustle, someone thinks they have a product, and someone out there might actually buy into the shtick E'rrbody got a Rona side gig now!

[MARK0SIAN]

The thing is, there is absolutely nothing Warhammer related that Warhammer fans won’t buy (often in droves and despite the price).

 

There’s not much difference between paying someone to write a list and just copy pasting one from the net. Both methods kind of take half the joy out of the game and seem a pretty hollow way to win but as I don’t play tournaments I’m not likely to come up against someone whose paid for such a service.

[andes]

This is awesome. I can pay someone to design me a tournament-winning list. I can pay someone to paint me an award-winning army. Soon, I'm sure I'll be able to pay someone to go to the tournament and play in my name. Ahhh, the amazing efficiencies of the modern world -- we truly live in an age of wonders.

[Closet Skeleton]

I've seen list writing services a few years ago.

[mughi3]

LOL

i have a buddy of mine who can break any codex  form any edition in about an hour reading said book. sometimes we proxy his lists to see how stupid they are and then never play them again. 

 

You don't need to pay somebody for that (but i am sure he wouldn't refuse :P  )  you just need a good understanding of core mechanics and win conditions. 

[armarnis]

From the text i assume they not only drop you a random good list but they teach you how to play with it and i feel there is the merit in it.

Often i see people who take inspiration from net lists but they fail with it on the table because they struggle with the intent of the list and its synergies.

 

IF (and its a big if) this is more about tutoring you how to pilot your list i feel 20 bucks could be a decent price. Personal tutoring is not cheap after all and nothing else i get from the ad.

 

People should see it with a bit more cool manner.

[Lord Commander Scrymgeour]

The most interesting part of this is alll the NLP stuff there. All that price stuff is classic sales scam material. see also the no timewasters part. etc
 

[WarriorFish]

It reads like someone taking the mickey out of those sad sales pitches from cheap adverts Maybe "too good to be true" needs a sister saying: "too stupid to not be true"

[Sete]

Pay me 5 quid for me to teach you how to manage your money with one simple advice. Edited October 31, 2020 by Sete

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

From the text i assume they not only drop you a random good list but they teach you how to play with it and i feel there is the merit in it.

Often i see people who take inspiration from net lists but they fail with it on the table because they struggle with the intent of the list and its synergies.

 

IF (and its a big if) this is more about tutoring you how to pilot your list i feel 20 bucks could be a decent price. Personal tutoring is not cheap after all and nothing else i get from the ad.

 

People should see it with a bit more cool manner.

It may be my bias but I don't see anything about tutoring the customer in that ad. They mention doing the play testing, and that you might even already have some of the models but there isn't any mention of explaining how it works.

 

If they were building an optimal list based on your models and teaching you how to maximize it while providing suggestions for what you should get next I wouldn't mock it.

[Schlitzaf]

The thing is, there is absolutely nothing Warhammer related that Warhammer fans won’t buy (often in droves and despite the price).

 

There’s not much difference between paying someone to write a list and just copy pasting one from the net. Both methods kind of take half the joy out of the game and seem a pretty hollow way to win but as I don’t play tournaments I’m not likely to come up against someone whose paid for such a service.

I’ll say I don’t like netlisting BUT in competitive anything, netdecking, netlistign etc. Some folks do it lazy issues aside:

1) They don’t have time to do it. Simply put, and want to play competitively. And in some communities a list/deck actually a team effort. A list is designed by a list builder who is good builder and a bad player. And vice versa.

2) Monetary investment, don’t have the money for it required to make and tinker with competitive lists

3) They ironically aren’t compettive but want to have a good list so they can have a good time at a yournament with friends. Not get roflstomped.

 

So I don’t think its fair to say that because there are genuine reasons beside laziness someone would do this

[MARK0SIAN]

 

The thing is, there is absolutely nothing Warhammer related that Warhammer fans won’t buy (often in droves and despite the price).

 

There’s not much difference between paying someone to write a list and just copy pasting one from the net. Both methods kind of take half the joy out of the game and seem a pretty hollow way to win but as I don’t play tournaments I’m not likely to come up against someone whose paid for such a service.

I’ll say I don’t like netlisting BUT in competitive anything, netdecking, netlistign etc. Some folks do it lazy issues aside:

1) They don’t have time to do it. Simply put, and want to play competitively. And in some communities a list/deck actually a team effort. A list is designed by a list builder who is good builder and a bad player. And vice versa.

2) Monetary investment, don’t have the money for it required to make and tinker with competitive lists

3) They ironically aren’t compettive but want to have a good list so they can have a good time at a yournament with friends. Not get roflstomped.

 

So I don’t think its fair to say that because there are genuine reasons beside laziness someone would do this

I don’t say it’s lazy though, I say it seems quite hollow. Like you didn’t win on your own merits, you won (at least in part) because someone else came up with your list. Now I know it would still take some skill to shepherd a good list to victory but still, you haven’t won entirely on your own merits (lucky/bad rolls aside) which just seems an unsatisfactory way to play to me.

 

I can accept a couple of your points about motivation but not the time one. If someone has the time to attend a tournament and generally be involved in this hobby I find it hard to believe they can’t find 2-3 hours over a few weeks to write a list.

[Schlitzaf]

To be fair in case of “Listbuilder and Player” situation it generally considered a team effort and not a situation you won on your own merits. But those situations/teams exist. On a macro level: Team America, has players in it who are better list builder and other better players. And its one of the reasons teams like that exist

[battle captain corpus]

-I can’t stop laughing- ......um....

 

-bwahahahahah!-

 

....cough.....

 

......-bwahahahahaha!-

 

Oh my word this topics cheered me up!

 

BCC

[grailkeeper]

Seems like something BOLS would have churned a dozen articles a week about around 2011. Look how many articles they were able to scrape out of "leaf blower list" back then.

[grailkeeper]

I wonder if they offer refunds if you dont win?

[Slave to Darkness]

Give me all your money and Ill tell you how to not build a list... 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

For $20 if they have a winning track record why not? I remember I sent a list to be vetted and he ended up using mine lol ... I got refunded Edited November 6, 2020 by Black Blow Fly

[Indefragable]

At a certain point, you can't pity the person that buys the hypothetical bridge being sold to them.........