Sword Brother Adelard Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 I found the release date for Codex: Black Templars last week in the White Dwarf. November 5 2005. Everything was then released in November-December. By my reckoning, we've had no BT Specific GW model releases since Draco in maybe January 2006...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 We did our units redone in finecast nominally. Which wasn’t true for every metal just 95% Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Draco was released in 3rd edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Draco was released in 3rd edition. I think we may be technically both right. And it's an interesting fact I didn't know. I googled 'Castellan Draco Release Date' and according to this forum from 2006: https://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?21553-Castellan-Draco-rules The model was fully released in January 2006, with rules in that January White Dwarf. But appears to have been around for much longer than that as a European Games Day special release, and was very hard to get hold of before 2006. That may also explain why he doesn't appear in the 4th ed codex, as he wasn't on general release. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJyo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 "think we are awesome as the last bastion of firstborn strength." My dude, I have some bad news... Be honest with me Sete, should I bother repainting my firstborn crusader squads? Otherwise I'm going to finally paint up some assault intercessors and add try greenstuff tabards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayrich131 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 "think we are awesome as the last bastion of firstborn strength." My dude, I have some bad news... Be honest with me Sete, should I bother repainting my firstborn crusader squads? Otherwise I'm going to finally paint up some assault intercessors and add try greenstuff tabards. Do you mean A) repaint them from Templar to something else or B) somehing else to Templar or C) Templar to Templar because it's nice to make models we painted when we were less skilled match our newer, more zealously painted models? If A... Well... I find myself sharpening my blad and reciting "Suffer Not The Unclean To Live" If B... Yes, by the emperor yes, "Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds" If C then I am proud of you for Upholding The Honour Of The Emperor and you may do as you please Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
painting.for.my.sanity Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 "think we are awesome as the last bastion of firstborn strength." My dude, I have some bad news... Be honest with me Sete, should I bother repainting my firstborn crusader squads? Otherwise I'm going to finally paint up some assault intercessors and add try greenstuff tabards. GS tabards are worth doing - here's one I did following Last Light Creative's tutorial - https://www.instagram.com/p/CODE6KdHfKH/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Draco was released in 3rd edition. I think we may be technically both right. And it's an interesting fact I didn't know. I googled 'Castellan Draco Release Date' and according to this forum from 2006: https://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?21553-Castellan-Draco-rules The model was fully released in January 2006, with rules in that January White Dwarf. But appears to have been around for much longer than that as a European Games Day special release, and was very hard to get hold of before 2006. That may also explain why he doesn't appear in the 4th ed codex, as he wasn't on general release. 2000 around the same time as the Codex: Armageddon dropped, but I don't think it was as a Games Day model per say just one of the special edition models they did from time to time back then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The suggestion is that he was used at German, or Swedish games days, before being fully released in 2006, with a name and datasheet in White Dwarf.That would also explain why his base tab only had 'Templar' on it, and not Draco. He was never designed with a name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 "think we are awesome as the last bastion of firstborn strength." My dude, I have some bad news... Be honest with me Sete, should I bother repainting my firstborn crusader squads? Otherwise I'm going to finally paint up some assault intercessors and add try greenstuff tabards. I am absolutely sure that everything you have at home will stay in the Supp. But everything new will be a Primaris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 "think we are awesome as the last bastion of firstborn strength." My dude, I have some bad news... Be honest with me Sete, should I bother repainting my firstborn crusader squads? Otherwise I'm going to finally paint up some assault intercessors and add try greenstuff tabards. Be aware that I'm only 100% sure about a few bits.I can be honest with you, with the amount of knowledge I have is the new stuff is primaris focused. But I dont know everything obviously, nor do I know how ogmarines will be affected. I hope that soon something will be revealed, like I said before, when not if. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat Igorus Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 My brothers, I invite you to listen from 5mn28s 12mn19s 17mn54s https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrCHY6wVw5D7hMsM-LPBr1w May the Emperor God protect you!!!! Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 its the page of Valrak. Can you post the video link? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat Igorus Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD0q3Pfctkg&ab_channel=Slipallica123Slipallica123 Marshal Reinhard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 20, 2021 Author Share Posted May 20, 2021 even interesting is 20 min and 50 secs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5701616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayrich131 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 I would like to see some form of vows return. It's cool to be able to pick 1/4 abilities before the game to give you an advantage against your specific opponent. noobsawce 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Vows instead of super doctrine would be nice :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Vows instead of super doctrine would be nice :) Anything would be better than our current super doctrine... Brother Sidonius and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 Vows instead of super doctrine would be nice no. i want both Brother Sidonius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayrich131 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Our auto-wound on 6s to hit is actually pretty good IMO, especially with Grimaldus' exploding 6s and a couple standard re-roll auras and our massive amount of attacks. Means that even our chain swords can put out quite decent damage, with AP on almost all out attacks. With Lightning Claw termis it helps too, adds with the re-roll wounds to make them fairly reliable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I've been over it before. It's the worst one of all the super doctrines. It gives you nothing extra, adds a little bit of reliability, and actively harms models like the Judiciar. Brother Sidonius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 Our auto-wound on 6s to hit is actually pretty good IMO, especially with Grimaldus' exploding 6s and a couple standard re-roll auras and our massive amount of attacks. Means that even our chain swords can put out quite decent damage, with AP on almost all out attacks. With Lightning Claw termis it helps too, adds with the re-roll wounds to make them fairly reliable. its just not bad because at the moment there are so many goood t5 units there. But think about to have exploding 6s like the space wolves, or +1 attack like the Blood Angels or (boooom) we had +1dmg like the white scars. THAT would be EXTREM powerful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayrich131 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Yeah man, there is so much T5 out there and wounding on 5s is a killer. Watch 40 dice turn into 4-5 wounds and it gets depressing. With the standard assault doctrine giving -1AP (so basically between -2 to -4 on most our weapons) and getting to skip the wound roll on roughly 1/4 of our dice (after taking into account re-rolled misses) I think it is pretty good. Sure it's not the strongest thing out there but it depends on how you build your army as well. If you build it like the Meta SM army full of elites with fat weapon profiles but limited attacks then you are missing out on most of it's benefit. It's clearly made to be used with mass volume, low strength, AP attacks like chain sword. Ben from Implausible Nature talks about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayrich131 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 But on the topic of T5, how flipping ridiculous is it that space marines are locked to 4 toughness, regardless of the unit basically. I mean seriously, in other armies basically any elite would be a T5, except guard and sisters for obvious reasons. Versing Necrons the other day, even the Death Marks have T5... And my terminator assault squad are locked to T4... Does that make any sense? 2 of his melee destroyers were able to put out 21 wounds on 7 successful attacks against the 5 terminators and destroy them... Hitting on 2s with re-rolled, wounding on 2s. Basically the only thing that can save them is the Storm Shields on the 2 with THSS. If they fail the save roll then GG, and even of they pass, they can't save everything. Lore-wise and balance-wise I can not understand how space marines are all toughness 4. My neophyte is literally as hard to kill as my terminator sergeant or my bladeguard veteran... BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 I’ve always thought terminators should be T5 but at least they are in a better place now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/367408-wishlist-for-a-supplement/page/18/#findComment-5702813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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