I think we CAN now take Master Apothecary

[Karhedron]

The inability to upgrade our beloved Wolf Priests to effective Apothecaries was one of the few disappointments of the new supplement. It also looked like the Primaris Apothecary was not eligible to upgraded to Chief Apothecary. Now it looks like that oversight has been fixed.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/n2KFvj3bgo3Cr6V3.pdf

 

The new update adds the following to the Primaris Apothecary:

 

Page 145 – Primaris Apothecary

Change this unit’s keywords line to read:

‘KEYWORDS: Infantry, Character, Primaris, Apothecary’

This means the Primaris Apothecary (which we do have access to) can be upgraded to Chief Apothecary. I don't know if we will want to on many occasions but at least we do have access to an efficient healer if we want.

[Squark]

No, unfortunately, we don't. We can't take units with the Apothecary keyword. The same argument that made Primaris apothecaries ineligible to be Chief Apothecaries was the only reason we could (arguably) take them. And given that same argument also barred Primaris Apothecaries from using the Combat Restoratives Strategem (one of their biggest selling points), it was pretty clear this was an editing mistake.

 

 

Whenever GW bolds something, they're talking about a keyword.

 

(Edited for additional clarity and to avoid soundign to harsh).

Edited November 9, 2020 by Squark

[Karhedron]

Ah, on reflection I think you may be right. I saw the change and leapt to the opposite conclusion.

 

Sorry for the false alarm brothers.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I think we all knew it was coming, and we got a ton of new units anyways. Little disappointed it didn't clear up if your opponent could use countercharge on a judiciar style ability.

[Ragnar69]

I think we all knew it was coming, and we got a ton of new units anyways. Little disappointed it didn't clear up if your opponent could use countercharge on a judiciar style ability.

It is already clear. Fight last units are not eligible until all others have fought. The interrupt strategum can only be used on eligible units.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Goon hammer has a rules hammer article (october 1st) where they go through it. GW defines an eligible unit basically as one that charged or is in engagement range. It doesn't mention fight last effects so their argument is that if the interrupt strat let's you ignore the rule where you can't select a unit until all charging units have gone it should also allow you to ignore the fights last wording as well. I think they're right I just don't know if that's the intention.

[TiguriusX]

Goon hammer has a rules hammer article (october 1st) where they go through it. GW defines an eligible unit basically as one that charged or is in engagement range. It doesn't mention fight last effects so their argument is that if the interrupt strat let's you ignore the rule where you can't select a unit until all charging units have gone it should also allow you to ignore the fights last wording as well. I think they're right I just don't know if that's the intention.

Goonhammer is 100% wrong or you misinterpreted their article

 

The stratagem requires an eligible unit

 

The judiciar ability expressly makes the target ineligible until all others have fought

 

It is one of GWs best rule writings in recent history because it is 100% unambiguous

[Dark Shepherd]

They faq'late 8th ed armour of russ to allow interrupts but it has been changed back to not allow it

[Ragnar69]

Yes, goonhammer was right when they posted it, but now it's wrong because the wording of the fight last abilities has changed.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Ok I see now I haven't used the judiciar yet because I don't own one. Thanks.

[VIth]

I’m pretty sure the Goonhammer article explicitly says/shows that, unless they have an “always fight first” ability, both the Armor of Russ and the Judiciar shift them to the final/end pool of units eligible to fight. So they can only interrupt once that pool of eligible units to fight is up.

[NatBrannigan]

Even with an ‘always fight first’ ability, the Judiciar and Armour of Russ make units simply not eligible to fight until everyone else has done so. They go to the bottom of the pile, although could then fight first out of the other units that were made not eligible. Very nasty.

[Havok13]

There's a section in the back of the rule book that talks about the fight first last rule. I think its called rare rules. Edited November 14, 2020 by Havok13

[Dark Shepherd]

Rare rules more of covers always fights first

 

The fights last thing is more just covered by the wording in strats and abilities and fight order namely 'eligible'