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Do not read if you don't want your whole view of the Ultramarines to change.

 

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You left out quite an important bit:

 

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I actually really like this. It's an interesting change to a long-loved character. It bodes well for future comics in the Marvel x Games Workshop relationship as well if the latter feels confident enough to trust the former with these sorts of things.

 

The dig at making Ultramarines "interesting" is kinda shoddy though, imo.

Bit of an odd decision, but fair enough. To be honest, I don't see that this really changes anything.

 

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The dig at making Ultramarines "interesting" is kinda shoddy though, imo.

 

Yes, agreed. I don't find the Ultramarines boring.

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Seems kind of stupid to me, but not stupid enough to really have anything negative to say about it. Indifferent is the right word.

 

It being the most exciting thing to happen is years is a ridiculous overstatement however.

 

I think how they handled Dante is much more interesting.

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  On 11/12/2020 at 2:32 PM, WrathOfTheLion said:

Seems kind of stupid to me, but not stupid enough to really have anything negative to say about it. Indifferent is the right word.

 

It being the most exciting thing to happen is years is a ridiculous overstatement however.

 

Yeah, more than a touch of hyperbole, isn't there?

 

The whole article's a bit like that. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't really see that this:

 

 

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It’s a poke in the eye to the squeaky-clean image of the Ultramarines, and injects a bit of class warfare into the largely feudalistic futuristic dark age.

...really follows from the material revealed. Perhaps there's something more along those lines within the comic, but at the moment it just looks like the author of the article's reading too much into it. Is the Imperium really feudalistic?

 

Certainly some worlds are, but I wouldn't say that most of the focal characters come from privileged backgrounds – quite the opposite, in fact. A wry look at class warfare has been present from the very outset of the universe – just look at Confrontation's brats and scavvies; or Rogue Trader itself.

While something different I really don't think it changes anything at all.

 

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Seems like a superfluous change to me, Praetor of Dorn did it better and Calgar not being his real name adds nothing to the character or the story, he already is an heroic figure so what does honoring his master does for it that wasnt already part of his character before? The description makes it sound more important or impactful then it is but I guess thats advertisement.
Considering I'm one of the crazy conspiracy theorists who believes Calgar deliberately committed the 1st Company to an indefensible position in the Battle for Macragge so he could remake the 1st Company of the Chapter, I feel this revelation is a little on the tame side.

"Does this shocking reveal not change everything you believed about the Ultramarines, and, indeed, the entire Warhammer 40,000 universe?!?"

 

"...not really, no."

"Ah! Well. Nevertheless."

I can't be the only one who saw the surf twist coming?

Either (Real) Calgar would have to kill/sacrifice him to succeed, or the surf would take his identity. I admittedly banked on the former more so, but still. 

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I'm assuming this is about the Marvel comic? I won't read the spoiler as I plan on ordering the books as a compilation.

 

But if so, this isn't really industry news, or rumour of releases, etc. If that's the case this really should to to the Black Library where it can be properly discussed.

As others say, I don't dislike this, but I can't say it really changes anything (and to suggest, as the article does, that this is some kind of world-shattering revelation is silly).

 

The Ultramarines are still exactly as they were, and to be honest, so is Calgar. Everything we know and care about comes from after the event revealed. Calgar is still exactly the same person, we just have a bit more fleshing out of his history.

  On 11/12/2020 at 2:39 PM, apologist said:
Is the Imperium really feudalistic?

 

Nah, its just a decentralised caesaro-papist pyramidal hegemony with noble houses and decadent cardinals where autonomous fortresses full of warrior monks are the most effective military force and where trade is handled by adventuring families with no long distance stock markets and investor class in sight.

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  On 11/12/2020 at 4:03 PM, Closet Skeleton said:

 

  On 11/12/2020 at 2:39 PM, apologist said:
Is the Imperium really feudalistic?

 

Nah, its just a decentralised caesaro-papist pyramidal hegemony with noble houses and decadent cardinals where autonomous fortresses full of warrior monks are the most effective military force and where trade is handled by adventuring families with no long distance stock markets and investor class in sight.

 

I'm stealing this for the blurb of my new book

I guess i need to spoiler this?

 

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