CCE1981 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 So am I missing something? Is this legal? As it stands, and again if I’m not missing anything, the Librarian Dreadnought has the Librarian keyword, so can be upgraded to Chief Librarian, with Psychic Mastery and give him Biomantic Sarcophagus for +1 to psychic tests and an extra 6” range to Psychic Powers Range, smashing a Blood Angels/Successor dreadnought bomb against a target with a 12” warp charge 6 Null Zone sounds kinda spicy. Plus you get two other Psychic Powers so Psychic Fortress needing a 5 to cast when you aren’t using Null Zone and the last to your taste. That just seems like a yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hintzy Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) It is legal. Personally, I think the Sarcophagus is enough cast reliability, I would still stick with a fighty warlord trait if the good ones aren't being used by other characters. Edit: Also, I don't believe the range increase from the Sarcophagus applies to auras like Null Zone, just cast ranges. Edited November 13, 2020 by Hintzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Indeed, if the Thousand Sons FAQ is anything to go by, the additional range is applied only to the range of the initial power, not the radius of any effects when the power is cast. Karhedron and Shaezus 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Indeed, if the Thousand Sons FAQ is anything to go by, the additional range is applied only to the range of the initial power, not the radius of any effects when the power is cast. Oh man. I'm glad I checked out this thread now. Well on the bright side I now have 190 points to spend on something else! 6" null just isn't worth it. Might still be doable with a jump Libby if jump packs weren't so costy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 GW have FAQ'd in different directions in the past. As Psychic Fortress doesnt have a base range (e.g. -pick a unit within 12") to extend, there's a change that marine favouritism will creep in and allow it. Actually, on re-reading, the TS wording specifically states that it doesn't apply to secondary ranges, so a power with a single range, direct from the psyker, should be affected by the sarcophagus. Good find! Shaezus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Ah nice! Biomantic Sarcophagus extends the range of psychic powers. Null zone is a psychic power which has a range. This seems to stick Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I ran the Libby dread in my last few games using this relic and WT combo with null zone. It only came in useful a couple of times but when it's useful, boy does it make a difference. Absolutely blasting and smashing through things with total ease. One of those things that's so pivotal I'll either run it with the relic and WT or not at all. Libby dread needs to be protected carefully and thoroughly though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smileyjim Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 If the fancy box doesn't extend the aura, what about the box relic to extend auras? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Libby dread still has a significantly bigger base, which does makes the Null Zone'd area bigger on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 I think it was decided that the +6" range does extend an aura as well. The Thousand Suns ruling only applied to subsequent ranges from an initial range. This would give the Librarian Dreadnought a 12" aura from it's larger base, which is a huge radius. That is enough to strip a lot of Invulnerables from shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhavien Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 That it magnificent! I never thought about it, because I still hab the 'only BA powers' restriction in my mind from pre FAQ. Custodes players will be screaming in agony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 The only real issue with this is the Rlics rule which forbids vehicles from taking relics, even vehicle only ones. RAW the Libdread cannot take the sarcophagus - discuss with your group first. The Dark Angels VEHICLE relic just got FAQ'd so it can be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Yeah to be fair though, considering it specifies Librarian dreadnought only, I wouldn't be impressed with someone objecting to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Specific rules with exceptions always over-rule general rules. The general rule in the PDF is that the listed relics cannot be taken by vehicles. The exception is that the Sarcophagus is for "Librarian Dreadnoughts Only" - that's a clear-as-they-come exception to the rule-one that is stating categorically that it can be taken. I dont even see this as a question worth being discussed with opponents for fear of giving legitimacy to ugly gamist pedantry. Shaezus, Majkhel and Karhedron 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Oh yea, by all means, just do it and then give them the "what the hell" look if they object. I hopefully have a game scheduled tonight, I was considering a dread-wall with the boosted Psy-Fort. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I hopefully have a game scheduled tonight, I was considering a dread-wall with the boosted Psy-Fort. Will you be running classic BA dreads or taking advantage of our recent access to the Venerable and Ironclad Dreads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 The list currently has a Libby, DCD and a venerable with twin las, backed up by an auto las predator. The ironclad is super tempting, but he isn't painted, and since dreads lost bolter discipline, I'm not as inclined to take one (mine only has the hurricane...) Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smileyjim Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 What they did? So my little storm bolter on my Libby dread is two shots :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 What they did? So my little storm bolter on my Libby dread is two shots 2 shots at 24", it still gets to rapid fire as normal by the rulebook rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 Guns on Characters have to be pretty impressive to be of any real use. A Storm Bolter really just doesn't cut it, so is it a nerf sure, but not much of one, losing 2x bolt shots from 12-24" really doesn't phase me. With the melee weapons on him I am targeting something that will more than likely shrug off those two shots anyways. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Yeah, but you should only be shooting the storm bolter at something tough if it's the only target. 4 stormbolter shots are hardly overwhelming, but those 2 extra shots from Bolter Discipline could have been useful for taking out a model from another unit, which could potentially be very useful. Making it easier to take control of an objective, knocking a unit down to <3 models so it doesn't cover a character, etc. Don't underestimate characters shooting even bolters. They shots can add up over time or do just enough to a unit to make finish them off or make it easier for another unit to finish them. Majkhel 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Guns on Characters have to be pretty impressive to be of any real use. A Storm Bolter really just doesn't cut it, so is it a nerf sure, but not much of one, losing 2x bolt shots from 12-24" really doesn't phase me. With the melee weapons on him I am targeting something that will more than likely shrug off those two shots anyways. Agreed, that is why people rarely take relic guns, at least on Marine characters. It always seemed odd that most SM Characters are only slightly better shots in most cases than the troops they lead. But put them in melee and they can carve through half a squad without breaking a sweat or go toe-to-toe with Dreadnoughts, Daemon Princes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaezus Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) The list currently has a Libby, DCD and a venerable with twin las, backed up by an auto las predator. The ironclad is super tempting, but he isn't painted, and since dreads lost bolter discipline, I'm not as inclined to take one (mine only has the hurricane...) Really keen to know how the DCD works out! I used it a couple of times before the magnagrapple was changed. Great fun bringing in from reserve with a +3 to charge vs vehicles. Alas no longer Edited November 16, 2020 by Shaezus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smileyjim Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I often use my Libby dread to escort terminators, all those storm bolter :cuss can do surprising amount of damage from weight of fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I’m just excited that we can have represent our chief librarian as Libby dread. Like how cool is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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