Chief Librarian Dreadnought

[RedemptionNL]

It looks like Mephiston and the Librarian Dread are fixed to using only powers from the Sanguinary Discipline in the new codex, so that means null zone is out for those two.

[Morticon]

NOoooo !! confirmed?!? 

[CCE1981]

Based on the Datasheet leak, yeah only Blood Angel Discipline

[ThatOneMarshal]

A bummer for sure but at least our other librarians have a niche now.

[Jolemai]

Surely we still get to use the sarcophagus as it's listed in the Marine Codex for us to use? They wouldn't put something BA in there only to invalidate it within two months.

[Karhedron]

It looks like Mephiston and the Librarian Dread are fixed to using only powers from the Sanguinary Discipline in the new codex, so that means null zone is out for those two.

 

This is the same as the SW entry for Njal so I guess it is not entirely surprising.

[Spyros]

It seems the sarcophagus has been removed.

 

In addition, yes, Mephiston and Dreadnought choose from Sanguinary disciple. For the rest it reads: "psyker models in a BA detachment CAN know all of their psychik power from the Sanguinary discipline INSTEAD of the Librarius or Obscuration..."

Does this mean that plain librarians can really choose from the other disciplines?

[Karhedron]

Yes it does. Our normal librarians are taken from the regular SM codex so draw from the Librarius or Obscuration Disciplines as appropriate. The BA Dex allows us the option to draw from the Sanguinary discipline but we don't have to. Having a Jump Libby with Null Zone could be a very tasty option with Sanguinary Guard for when they encounter opponents with a tough Invuln.

[smileyjim]

Surely we still get to use the sarcophagus as it's listed in the Marine Codex for us to use? They wouldn't put something BA in there only to invalidate it within two months.

Its GW mate. Looks like it's gone otherwise it would be in the BA codex

[Hintzy]

Surely we still get to use the sarcophagus as it's listed in the Marine Codex for us to use? They wouldn't put something BA in there only to invalidate it within two months.

The Sarcophagus was in the BA pdf index, not the Codex.

[Karhedron]

The space wolves had a few things in their Index that didn't survive into the Codex IIRC.

[Jolemai]

 

Surely we still get to use the sarcophagus as it's listed in the Marine Codex for us to use? They wouldn't put something BA in there only to invalidate it within two months.

The Sarcophagus was in the BA pdf index, not the Codex.

 

 

Ahhh, right. Cheers :tu:

[Shaezus]

What niche does the libby dread fill now?

 

Some initial thoughts

 

pros

 

He makes a mean gravis killer

Can use wings - flying dreadnoughts are always rightly feared

Good potential for turn 1 charge with wings

Character rule allows protection for setting up turn 1 charge even if you go second

Good backfield support & beatstick combo

Decent mortal wound output if you focus on the witchfire powers and

 

cons

 

Mephiston exists

Duty eternal is little protection vs anti vehicle weapons

Base size makes him unsuitable for heroic interventions

Can't take relics

Standard librarians can do the same things for less points

 

Really sad to put my boxy blue fella back on the shelf. For now, hopefully

[ThatOneMarshal]

He can pick his own warlord trait, which is pretty good when you think compared to Mephiston. Since he can have up to two warlord trait maybe give him something to make him super tanky and then he can use angles sacrifice. His high toughness helps negate most attacks that would rip your valuable infantry on an objective. 

[BrotherAetherick]

With Duty Eternal he tanks dmg 2 like a boss. And Dmg 2 is everywhere now since marines are 2 wounds now. WS3 with very little access to rerolls is a bummer tho, his Knight 1 shot days are likely over.

 

Being able to provide Captain/LT rerolls is very nice on such a big base.

[dice4thedicegod]

Darn, was planning on taking a might of heroes/null zone dread alongside a sanguinary mephiston... oh well.

[Majkhel]

EDIT:  nvm 

Edited November 28, 2020 by Majkhel

[CCE1981]

Just re-read the three different pages of rules.  The Librarian Dreadnought cannot take the Chief Librarian Neural Shroud Relic, all Chapter Command Relics "(these are considered to be Chapter Relics for all rules purposes)".  

[Gingerninja]

Quick question, would we be able to pick the artisan of war WLT to then pick a relic or is that against the rules that prohibits vehicles from having relics?

[Indefragable]

Quick question, would we be able to pick the artisan of war WLT to then pick a relic or is that against the rules that prohibits vehicles from having relics?

I'm guessing the latter.....if a vehicle can't take a Relic one way, why would it be able to another unless specifically worded otherwise? 

[Gingerninja]

 

Quick question, would we be able to pick the artisan of war WLT to then pick a relic or is that against the rules that prohibits vehicles from having relics?

I'm guessing the latter.....if a vehicle can't take a Relic one way, why would it be able to another unless specifically worded otherwise? 

 

 

Perfect, then I play it like that.

 

Thanks