Who would you pick to go primaris next?

[Blindhamster]

Ishagu brings up a good point. Some models are old and dated and they would be arguably the ones to be updated.

 

• Tigurius was an obvious choice and the previous model was poor. The latest is a cracking pose and looks great.

 

• Calgar... this is where "old model need update" falls flat on its face. The Terminator model has a superior pose and looks way better than the current updated version. And did it need to be updated? Nope. There were older and inferior sculpts out there.

 

Now, I agree if a new model is going to be created (Dante is looking dated and look at Mephiston!) we can presume GW will only update to Primaris.

 

Therein lies the question whether a model SHOULD be updated or just killed off. When going to Primaris, the old model is dead anyway so it changes little but does more for the respect of the writers.

 

Important and iconic characters like Dante I can understand GW won't let disappear into he night, but do we really mind if Telion, Chronus or even Astorath die? They're not iconic and don't have he history of the likes of Tigurius.

 

These sorts of characters are ripe for replacement. I consider a 10th Captain as a replacement to Telion a prime example.

 

As for replacing Cassius, I think the model is pretty good and doesn't look as dated as many.

I think many Blood Angel's would say astorath has become as iconic as any ultra marine character lol. He had a very unique sculpt from his inception.

 

From ultramarines, I think realistically you should expect Cassius to cross the Rubicon. The sergeant level characters are where you're most likely to get replacements.

 

For BA I think realistically Dante and astorath will both cross rubicon eventually. Probably corbulo too. Lemartes is iconic but I think he is more likely to be killed off. Tycho is dead so hopefully will be replaced. Sanguinor will eventually get an update but wont be primaris, they'll probably emphasize the otherworldyness instead

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I prefer the new Calgar but the terminator version is a classic.

Edited November 30, 2020 by Black Blow Fly

[Captain Idaho]

I think many Blood Angel's would say astorath has become as iconic as any ultra marine character lol. He had a very unique sculpt from his inception.

I didn't say anything about Ultramarines being more iconic than Blood Angels. I pointed out, alongside 2 Ultramarines characters, a Blood Angels character which is fairly forgettable compared to the likes of Dante, Mephiston or Tycho.

 

Subjective? Of course but if GW could only save 3 characters, would Astorath make the cut...? Of course not!

 

Dante, Corbulo and Mephiston were always the 3 most likely to receive new sculpts.

 

For the record, Lemartes (latest) is one of the best looking models in the game.

 

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So anyway, I've made my point here. I won't say any more on the subject in this topic.

 

I think Uriel Ventris would be an interesting Captain for Ultramarines. Folk have always wanted a model for him, though perhaps he needs a novel to start in first as it might be odd reading a book where he isn't a Primaris but the model he is. (Bit part of Dark Imperium isn't quite enough)

[Charybdis]

Titus is a cool thought. (ironically I've been replaying the old campaign!)

 

I'm going way out on a limb here, but I'd love to see somehow, someway that Aeonid Theil makes the transition from the beyond (somehow) to Primaris.

 

I think he would be the ultimate bridge between timelines and he is the quintessential, Ultramarine strategist from a line trooper perspective. 

A man of taste I see.

 

I'm building my current force 'Project Leviathan', as made up of traitor legion loyalists taken in by the Ultra's and utilised in their specialist positions i.e Iron Warriors Heavy Support, Alpha Legion Phobos, Thousand Sons Librarius etc  and commanded by Aeonid Thule!!

 

The idea is that after Gulliman was taken out by Fulgrim a task force was set up with the goal of fighting Chaos Astartes if/when they return, using the loyalist traitors with the idea of it takes a thief to catch a thief. 

 

After reading as much Ultra heresy era as possible I decided that this unconventional force would be lead by Aeonid Thule and his 'Red-Marked' team. (40k dirty dozen.)

 

Using Alpha Legion techniques they went into stasis to be awakened every time a 'Black Crusade' began, operating entirely independently during the crusade as a vanguard and information gathering force for Imperium forces.

 

At the Crusades conclusion they go back into stasis to await the next incursion.

 

With the fall of Cadia however they're now still roaming the galaxy operating deep behind enemy lines preparing the way for the Indomitus Crusade. 

 

With impeccable clearance codes to requisition the most cutting edge Imperial tech, Project Leviathan (aka Aeonid's Bastards) has had it's ranks replenished with Primaris and Aeonid has crossed the Rubicon himself! 

 

Now with the entirely long winded and utterly unnecessary back story out of the way, does Aeonid have any distinctive armour or weapons in the lore? Other than his mark of censure I've not found anything else yet. 

[Prot]

I'm glad you found the Aeonid suggestion so entertaining.

 

If someone has read all the stories involving him (as I have and I do believe these are the very best pieces of Nick Kymes work) then you know the strong tactician he was. He also had a major impact in Guilliman's decision to write the codex astartes.

 

And if I'm not mistaken there's been no 'death scene' in 40K for Aeonid. It wouldn't be hard to create an explanation for his survival at this point in the lore. 

 

A new character would also be welcomed though. 

[Blindhamster]

 

I think many Blood Angel's would say astorath has become as iconic as any ultra marine character lol. He had a very unique sculpt from his inception.

I didn't say anything about Ultramarines being more iconic than Blood Angels. I pointed out, alongside 2 Ultramarines characters, a Blood Angels character which is fairly forgettable compared to the likes of Dante, Mephiston or Tycho.

 

Subjective? Of course but if GW could only save 3 characters, would Astorath make the cut...? Of course not!

 

Dante, Corbulo and Mephiston were always the 3 most likely to receive new sculpts.

 

For the record, Lemartes (latest) is one of the best looking models in the game.

 

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So anyway, I've made my point here. I won't say any more on the subject in this topic.

 

I think Uriel Ventris would be an interesting Captain for Ultramarines. Folk have always wanted a model for him, though perhaps he needs a novel to start in first as it might be odd reading a book where he isn't a Primaris but the model he is. (Bit part of Dark Imperium isn't quite enough)

 

Sorry, was poorly phrased :) , wasn't so much meant to be a dig at Ultramarines (whom I actually like, which is why I am even in the subforum!) as just not agreeing on Astorath being in the same league as Telion/Chronus (who are generally minor characters in UM lore)

 

I don't know if Corbulo would be one of the three to make the jump, he's probably the most generic blood angels character... which I guess maybe makes him perfect for primaris treatment in some peoples eyes :D

 

Astorath is however, a very important part of all Blood Angels lore now, him dying would be a pretty big deal. If anything though, I'd think the fact that he's joined Dante and Mephiston as a character with a book, he's more likely to make the jump to primaris eventually.

 

But anyway back to ultramarines after I've tried to better explain myself and also to apologise :)

 

 

I think Cassius would be interesting to make the jump as we've seen him both as a younger deathwatch marine, an older and mangled chaplain and it would be interesting to see their take on a primaris version, I wonder what damage would be repaired through the process (we know quite a lot of damage can be repaired from Emperors Spears).

 

I also think Telion would be interesting as a minor character to make the jump because it might be a good way to introduce new scouts and keep him in carapace rather than switching to phobos.

 

But I do generally also agree with the sentiment that it would be good to maybe see some new characters for chapters sooner rather than later, like Dark Angels god Lazarus (although even he was a rubicon crosser)

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

If Telion crossed that river he’d work with Eliminators I reckon . 

[Captain Idaho]

Make sense he would work with Eliminators.

 

@ Blindhamster: oh yeah Astorath is miles ahead of Telion and Chronus. Definitely. I'd still rank him as an icon behind Dante, Mephiston, Tycho etc.

 

Corbulo is an interesting thought. He feels kinda mundane as far as models go so could do with a new model to bring him up in spectacle.

 

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I suspect Agemman might get a new model if Terminator squads go Primaris.

 

Not sure how GW feels about that though. I don't think GW are sure with what to do here. Primaris have been a success but introducing Terminators when they intended Aggressors to be the equivalent would stomp on the latter. Maybe 5 wound monsters but then who knows.

Edited November 30, 2020 by Captain Idaho

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I suspect Agemman might get a new model if Terminator squads go Primaris.

 

Not sure how GW feels about that though. I don't think GW are sure with what to do here. Primaris have been a success but introducing Terminators when they intended Aggressors to be the equivalent would stomp on the latter. Maybe 5 wound monsters but then who knows.

 

How do we know they intended Aggressors to be the Primaris equivalent of Terminators? Shouldn't they at least have gotten teleport homers if that were the case?

 

Remember they had the first five years of Primaris releases planned out before 8th Edition even launched. It would make sense that they held back on Primaris Terminators even if they knew from the beginning they were going to introduce them. For one, it would reinforce a lot of players' early resistance to this new line "replacing" the Firstborn when GW's messaging at the time was purely about how they were only supplementing the existing Marines. It also would have made that initial wave a lot less special if some of them were wearing an embiggened version of an existing armor type rather than all of them sporting some variation of the new Mark X hotness.

[Captain Idaho]

It makes no sense GW would hold back on Primaris Terminators. They're an iconic part of the brand and should have been released early. Certainly by now.

[Ishagu]

Primaris aren't a 1:1 mirror of the classic range.

 

It's pretty clear to me that Aggressors fill this role of Terminators, being a more durable infantry unit with power Fists and bolt/flamer weapons.

 

It's true they don't have teleporters, but Intercessors don't have access to plasma rifles, yet are still a clear alternative to Tactical Marines.

 

GW could of course release yet another terminator style unit, but at this point they are duplicating the function of the kits.

 

Aggressors and Terminators similarities:

-Slower than regular infantry

-More Durable

-Str 8 close combat

-Boltstorm/Storm Bolter have similar purpose

-Count as 2 models in transports

 

 

I'd argue if people want a heavier infantry type, then we need Primaris versions of Centurions!

[HvitrValdyr]

I turned the Indomitus chaplain into Primaris Cassius. Would be cool to see him cross over.

 

[Gederas]

Primaris aren't a 1:1 mirror of the classic range.

 

It's pretty clear to me that Aggressors fill this role of Terminators, being a more durable infantry unit with power Fists and bolt/flamer weapons.

 

It's true they don't have teleporters, but Intercessors don't have access to plasma rifles, yet are still a clear alternative to Tactical Marines.

 

GW could of course release yet another terminator style unit, but at this point they are duplicating the function of the kits.

 

Aggressors and Terminators similarities:

-Slower than regular infantry

-More Durable

-Str 8 close combat

-Boltstorm/Storm Bolter have similar purpose

-Count as 2 models in transports

 

 

I'd argue if people want a heavier infantry type, then we need Primaris versions of Centurions!

Eradicators and Inceptors are Terminators too since they're:

-Slower than regular infantry

-More Durable

-Count as 2 models in transports

 

Honestly, Aggressors feel more like they're a less ridiculous version of Centurions rather than them being Terminators.

[ThatOneMarshal]

I would love for Ventris to be chosen. He has so much fluff through the black library books and he has a ton of fans. Dude was the OG reason for why I'm sure a lot of people went with the ultramarines. 

 

Added benefit would be that he would be a new character too. 

 

Another idea would be a character from one of the Ultramarines many successor chapter.

[Prot]

Great job Valdyr. It would be nice to have a non-captain/LT as a Primaris character since there's some overlap there, and lately I've been trying to include Cassius in my lists. 

[space wolf]

Yeah, I think sicarius is a good choice. Tho personally, I'd have to go with my younger brother Logan Grimnar. ;)

[emperorpants]

Lots of good ideas in here! I still think sicarius would be my choice, although I could easily get behind Cassius or Chronus. I also like the idea of a brand new primaris named character. Maybe in a position we don't have a named character for, like apothecary or ancient.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

It makes no sense GW would hold back on Primaris Terminators. They're an iconic part of the brand and should have been released early. Certainly by now.

 

It makes plenty of sense that they wouldn't have released them yet.

 

Wave 1: They definitely wouldn't release a unit that was nothing but an actual 1:1 upscaling from an existing Firstborn unit when they'd already have enough player resistance to deal with.

Wave 2: All Phobos (except for the monopose Suppressors, who only made it into the boxed set and were fluffed in as part of the "Vanguard" along with the Phobos units). Primaris Termies wouldn't have fit.

Wave 3: This is a stacked year. Outriders don't even get a full kit. Only way Termies make it in here is if they replace one of the other squads and the only real candidate here is the Bladeguard, who clearly fit the Crusade aesthetic of the Indomitus launch a lot better than Terminators would.

 

Oh look, we're up to today. Where did the time go?

[Ishagu]

Lots of good ideas in here! I still think sicarius would be my choice, although I could easily get behind Cassius or Chronus. I also like the idea of a brand new primaris named character. Maybe in a position we don't have a named character for, like apothecary or ancient.

I think instead of a new Ultramarines named hero, I'd rather have a whole new unique Primaris unit.

 

We have the Victrix Honour Guard. Let's get something like Primaris Locutarus Aggressors.

 

Also, as we know there is a unique Primaris Lieutenant for the Ultras. I think he should be given unique rules, and the same goes for the SW, DA, BA unique ones too. Make them each a named character with some unique rules and abilities.

[Captain Idaho]

@ Lord Nord: sorry I disagree. The problem with your interpretation of the release schedule is the models in them were not set in stone and preordained. Games Workshop planned all of this and set the theme themselves.

 

If GW wanted to release Primaris Terminators, they would have planned it, which is something they can agree on. So why would they have not added them in? Why would they prioritise Aggressors and other choices over this big selling and iconic unit?

 

I'm not saying we won't see Primaris Terminators in the future, but I seriously doubt they were ever intending to. We got Calgar in Gravis Armour, that IF character in Gravis Armour, Aggressors... why did GW bother with Gravis if they release Terminators? Even for Marines, this is saturating the line absurdly. Terminators directly compete with Aggressors as is, so Primaris Terminators will even harder.

 

As for Bladeguard fitting the theme of Indomitus; without them, there is no theme. Assault Intercessors and Outriders don't fit the theme.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Captain Idaho

[Captain Idaho]

Looks like Ventris is going to be the latest model.

 

Not sure if a model about a Captain that went Primaris off screen and had a single scene, instead of representing a character from the collection of stories out there, is a great way of doing it.

 

But it's cool enough to create rules for a new model. There are plenty of people who'll buy him.

 

Side note, could you imagine how big a Pansanius Primaris would be.

[Toxichobbit]

I can't un-see the Ventris sculpt as Black Adder. I hope his codpiece is made with finest ceramite.

[Charybdis]

I hope whichever barber gave Uriel that haircut was immediately purged!

 

The rest of the model is just superb though. Love the trim at the bottom of the boots. 

[Gederas]

Side note, could you imagine how big a Pansanius Primaris would be.

I can:

 

;)

[Doghouse]

Well I guess I just accidently threw away my Christmas wish...

 

I think the hair cut on him is roman influenced to be honest, I think they went for a mix of the current primaris upgrade sprue heads with the sides shaven. I do think when he crossed the Rubricon he tripped and landed on his face though, either that or he's still waiting for the swelling to come down.

 

Lazarus head might work well on him but the easiest way is to just stick a helmet on him.