What lore progression would you like to see?

[chapter master 454]

In terms of progression, how about GW actually get some storytelling done right in the main-line codices rather than hit or miss nature of black library which may or may not be canon.

 

Tigerius should be dead. End. Telion should fall into the warp and return as a raven guard and cronus should feel the pull of the machine god and just become iron hands.

Really a lot of character issues stem from the big surge Matt Ward gave ultramarines in terms of characters instead of other chapters. I mean we now have 2 characters in ultramarines who can tell you stories about calgar but we never do and get to hear anything. I think it would be great to have some sort of codex story that isn't some battlefield appraisal or post battle banter where Cassius and Calgar are discussing matters on down time and have it be a moment where Cassius is still Calgar's Senior in age which brings its own benefits but bounces against Calgars tactical acumen despite the age difference, showing how a difference in role affects a marine and their long standing views.

 

This would be extra interesting if Telion was Raven Guard. After the events of the former chapter master's death, Kayvaan was hesitant to take the mantle. It would of been a much better sense of character if an old mentor of his came and talked to him about the matter. These simple exchanges help solidify that despite their super-humaning they still retain a core of what makes them powerful, their humanity. I get they are super human but they aren't machines.

 

And on machines, what sort of interesting conversations could happen if Cronus was a raukaan member and was actually quite a die-hard "machine over flesh" sort, going as far to have hard points to plug into his tanks that he uses. Possibly being an opponent to Ferros' "weakness".

 

There needs to be more moments of characterisation outside of BL and inside the Codices that don't just say "they are masters. Unbeatable, undeniable. Real rear kickers!". Kind of why I think some people get a bit miffed at 40k losing some of the grimness; the heroes get hyped to being "perfect men" instead of "Flawed heroes".

[ThePenitentOne]

To take it away from Marines a bit, there are two things I would like to see moved forward:

 

The Ynnari: I liked the stuff in Phoenix Rising- Jain Zar, Lelith Hesperax, The Solitaire of the Midnight Sorrow, Yvraine and the Visarch together vs. Shelaxi Helbane for the fifth and final Crone Sword. That needs to be resolved. It's dangerous that I want this resolved, because if Lelith stops being Drukhari and JZ stops being CWE and both become Ynnari, I'm going to hate that.

 

But it would be better than the story hanging over the collective heads of those who play Eldar of any stripe like the sword of freakin Damocles.

 

The second bit of lore I'd like to see moved forward is the mysterious Tyranid planet in Blood of Baal where tyranids seem to let members of various Genestealer Cults come and go rather than reabsorbing them.

 

These things matter to me WAY more than Marines and their Primarchs. The only Marines I find interesting are the ones who have acted as Chambers Militant to the various Ordos of the Inquisition. Well, almost... I also like Fulgrim and the EC. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

I would like to see where they move forward with the Eldar, some interesting stuff to happen there.

 

Now that Dark Imperium has changed its position in the setting, the Silent King is now significantly less restrained. There is a lot that can happen there now. Beforehand it had to not be noteworthy, given that the Necrons were never mentioned in the Dark Imperium series.

 

Now the most interesting to me is what happens in the Imperium Nihilus. There is the legion of Fallen gathering in the Somnium Stars, which can now be addressed within the Indomitus Crusade. How does that half of the Imperium function under Dante's rule? I think there's a lot to explore there, and I think most of the interesting events would occur out there.

[Cpt_Reaper]

I think an issue is people not understanding that the setting has progressed and wanting more without accepting what has occurred so far.

We are 200 years into M42. A lot has happened.

• Cadia Fell
• The Great Rift opened
• Guilliman woke up
• The Eldar awoke a god (well it's semi awake...needs a coffee)
• The Indomitus Crusade happened
• The Ultima Founding
• The Silent King came home
• The Void Dragon got pinched from Mars
• Luther got out and the Fallen are amassing in Legion strength
• The 13th Great Company got rescued from Prospero

And that's only what i can list off of the top of my head. Has each event been written well with a satisfying conclusion? Well that is up to personal interpetation and it is not my pace to say yes or no. But a lot has happened in 1 edition and we're only just starting a new Edition. Give it time.

[Bryan Blaire]

I'm pretty sure with the adjustment of the timeline for the Indomitus Crusade, we are no longer "currently" 200 years into M42 based on Terran reckoning - seems more like 50-100 or so.

[RandyB]

I want the time line officially moved forward at least 1000 years. Leave behind all the current mess and take a fresh start without blowing everything up and invalidating the history.

[Cpt_Reaper]

1000 years is a bit to serious of a jump. The game spent most of it's life in the last centuries of M41. Jumping from the end of M41/Start of M42 to M43 is too agressive.

[ThePenitentOne]

For sure- I wish they were actually giving it a little more time- like many, I was thinking there weren't enough codices out yet for a campaign book.

 

Now I'm bummed that Death Guard stuff is delayed, but I'm glad the campaign book is- and that's coming from a Crusade guy who loves campaign play. If I was in GW's shoes, I wouldn't released a campaign until 4th quarter to give us nine months of dex releases.

 

The timeline being advanced via dexes is also a possibility; when the DE dex drops, it might contain some hints about what's going on with the Ynnari line; after all, Lelith was last seen fighting beside Yvraine, and we're pretty sure we're getting a shiny new Lelith, so some of that story might come with it.

 

They decided to go 4 months on the same flashpoint in WD- I felt they should have capped at at 3 so you could get 4 "seasons" into a year. The current Flashpoint hasn't done much to advance the storyline, but future Flashpoints could.  I haven't actually aligned any fights to the Crusade mission pack for the Pariah Nexus or the Argovon Flashpoint yet because I've got a campaign set in my own corner of the universe to worry about. Our armies might eventually get to take part in that, but we've got to get through our story first- I already bent it to accommodate elements of the Blackstone Fortress plot, so I'm not keen on bending it again.

 

I'm curious about what 2021 has in store for us.

 

If they start a fresh one in January to support DE (assuming that doesn't get bumped), I might play along with it. Who knows; the Ynnari might have to get in on that too.

[RandyB]

1000 years is a bit to serious of a jump. The game spent most of it's life in the last centuries of M41. Jumping from the end of M41/Start of M42 to M43 is too agressive.

That's the point.

[BitsHammer]

Honestly there are two things I want explored more: what's going on with humanity and its faith, and what's going on with the Emperor. I'm not really picky how they follow those threads, I just want to know more about them.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

 

I am firmly of the opinion that actually dead Primarchs (Curze, Horus, Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus and possibly Dorn) should stay dead. Horus' soul was literally erased from existence, Sanguinius' death is one of the most important parts of the lore, Ferrus Manus' head got lopped off and IIRC ended up on Horus' throne, Curze's death is, whilst not as impactful on the setting as Sanguinius', a pretty heavy, defining moment which bringing him back would utterly ruin, and with the Lion, the Khan, Corvus Corax, Vulkan and Russ still unaccounted for, there's no real reason why Dorn needs to be brought back if they need another loyalist Primarch up and about.

Ferrus I think actually could come back and perhaps some literary use to function namely in how he utterly clashes with the modern culture of the Legion in a similar regard to the Lion, whereas Sanguinius, Curze, and Horus need to stay dead because they simply have no further tale to tell. If Curze, Horus, or Sanguinius it'd basically just be for them to strut around for fan adoration and to rake in money without any regard to story quality because they just are finished works. Which tbh is probably one of the reasons I wish another Primarch other than Guilliman was brought back, as Bobby G just doesn't have a whole lot going for him compared to if Khan, Lion-O, or Ferrus came back. What would be interesting is if the Lion or Ferrus literally massacred their legions in a manner similar to Angron simply by being so enraged by their modern incarnations and despising what they had become.

Ferrus needs to stay dead as much as the rest who died did you can’t argue about lack of consequences for the rest but than arbitrarily want to bring back the first one to die

 

Again Im sorry but saying only ferrus would have a worth while narrative is just incorrect, they all would but at the cost of destroying years of pre established lore. It’s just not something GW should do or would do

 

The only primarchs that could reasonably return are The lion, Khan and Russ

 

Guiliman had to return, apart from possibly the lion he’s the only one who could actually have the tactical acumen to organise the imperium’s defence and reconquest, they needed a tactician not a warrior

They didn't NEED guilliman to come back.

They could have skipped the devastation of Baal in favor of the devastation of terra, had al first and second founding chapters as well as some later founding chapters respond, marines elect Dante to be in command of them and calagar the liaison to help coordinate with the custodes and that's when Dante could have sacrificed himself to protect the big E.

Cadia could have still fallen, and chaos made a significant but noticeably smaller incursion into the imperium.

[WARMASTER_]

I'm pretty sure with the adjustment of the timeline for the Indomitus Crusade, we are no longer "currently" 200 years into M42 based on Terran reckoning - seems more like 50-100 or so.

It’s not an adjustment to the full crusade, just a conflict within the crusade the timeline will be unchanged they’ve changed the ending battle so they have freedom for other stories that’s all really

[b1soul]

The Khan riding out of the Webway

 

Clonegrim released from Trazyn's collection

[Medjugorje]

The Furies launch a hard attack against the Eternal Crusader and destroy it as an act of revenge.

 

*with the help of sonic

[Ishagu]

Honestly there are two things I want explored more: what's going on with humanity and its faith, and what's going on with the Emperor. I'm not really picky how they follow those threads, I just want to know more about them.

Plague War is all about that

[WARMASTER_]

 

 

Guiliman had to return, apart from possibly the lion he’s the only one who could actually have the tactical acumen to organise the imperium’s defence and reconquest, they needed a tactician not a warrior

They didn't NEED guilliman to come back.

They could have skipped the devastation of Baal in favor of the devastation of terra, had al first and second founding chapters as well as some later founding chapters respond, marines elect Dante to be in command of them and calagar the liaison to help coordinate with the custodes and that's when Dante could have sacrificed himself to protect the big E.

Cadia could have still fallen, and chaos made a significant but noticeably smaller incursion into the imperium.

You misunderstand me I meant of all the primarchs it had to be guiliman, he’s the only one with the tactical ability to re organise & Re take the imperium

 

You’re idea could absolutely work and it’s a really cool story but it had nothing to do with my point

[BitsHammer]

 

Honestly there are two things I want explored more: what's going on with humanity and its faith, and what's going on with the Emperor. I'm not really picky how they follow those threads, I just want to know more about them.

Plague War is all about that

No offense to the author, but it was too boring to get through to find those nuggets. Plus the Pariah Nexus has shown us that GW is doing something with faith since Ephreal Stern showed abilities like a psykers in an area where no psyker could manifest their powers. So there is something going on there with the Imperium and its faith I want to see more on. Perhaps it's the first signs of the future evolution of humanity the Emperor wanted, or maybe it's something else. I'm just keen to find out.

[The Yncarne]

• I would like to see more characters killed in the lore to make way for new characters. This is especially true for space marines characters going primaris.
• I would like to see some lore that expands my model options for my harlequins. Nostalgia leans towards dreadnoughts wraith lords, but not sure if they now fit from a lore perspective. Maybe something like the two ghost warriors from the harlequin's introduction era?
• I would like some idea of what Magnus and the band have planned beyond conquering some real space system. Again, my goal is to have more model options in that army outside additional AoS models. Are they developing new weapons, applying sorcery and deception to more insurrections? They've never been a numerous faction, so what role do they play in the setting?

I was surprised when GW nuked the Old World,  but for the past 2 years, I kinda wish they did/would because I'm not super motivated to buy more of the same redundant units/models that 30 years of playing has created. I'd like a fresh start and to push the boundaries of model making which can only come about from a 40k setting lore reboot of sorts.

Edited December 8, 2020 by The Blood Raven

[Ishagu]

 

 

Honestly there are two things I want explored more: what's going on with humanity and its faith, and what's going on with the Emperor. I'm not really picky how they follow those threads, I just want to know more about them.

Plague War is all about that

No offense to the author, but it was too boring to get through to find those nuggets. Plus the Pariah Nexus has shown us that GW is doing something with faith since Ephreal Stern showed abilities like a psykers in an area where no psyker could manifest their powers. So there is something going on there with the Imperium and its faith I want to see more on. Perhaps it's the first signs of the future evolution of humanity the Emperor wanted, or maybe it's something else. I'm just keen to find out.

Nuggets? The book was about the Imperial Faith, whether the Emperor is a God, his influence over the universe and his direct involvement in events. Not to mention the faith of the devout within the Imperium. It was a massive part of the story. It even asks if Lorgar was right.

 

It was set against the backdrop of Nurgle v Ultramar of course, that was the main conflict in the book.

 

You're asking for something, a book exists that dives into it, but you have dismissed the book.

[Doghouse]

Bring back STCs.

[Cpt_Reaper]

 

1000 years is a bit to serious of a jump. The game spent most of it's life in the last centuries of M41. Jumping from the end of M41/Start of M42 to M43 is too agressive.

That's the point.

 

 

My point is, it's a terrible idea.

 

Look, the 40k universe cannot, by design, be reset. it is set in the Milky Way Galaxy. All you can do is move forward, and moving forward 100-200 years the the best you can do. Anything more is too aggressive and would cause such sweeping changes to the game in one go that nobody would be happy. A lot can happen in two centuries. Major characters can die, new characters can rise up. Major plots can be introduced and concluded.

 

Now, say we did move forward to the start of the 43rd Millennium. No Imperial Character would exist save for Guilliman, Firstborn would all die out, and probably a few major subfactions would get wiped out too "just for change". Same things for most races save for Necrons, Eldar and Tyranids. Chaos would be the only faction to remain unchanged.

 

Chnage, for the sake of change, should be avoided at all costs.

[BitsHammer]

 

 

 

Honestly there are two things I want explored more: what's going on with humanity and its faith, and what's going on with the Emperor. I'm not really picky how they follow those threads, I just want to know more about them.

Plague War is all about that

No offense to the author, but it was too boring to get through to find those nuggets. Plus the Pariah Nexus has shown us that GW is doing something with faith since Ephreal Stern showed abilities like a psykers in an area where no psyker could manifest their powers. So there is something going on there with the Imperium and its faith I want to see more on. Perhaps it's the first signs of the future evolution of humanity the Emperor wanted, or maybe it's something else. I'm just keen to find out.

Nuggets? The book was about the Imperial Faith, whether the Emperor is a God, his influence over the universe and his direct involvement in events. Not to mention the faith of the devout within the Imperium. It was a massive part of the story. It even asks if Lorgar was right.

 

It was set against the backdrop of Nurgle v Ultramar of course, that was the main conflict in the book.

 

You're asking for something, a book exists that dives into it, but you have dismissed the book.

 

No the book was about a very boring conflict that had a much more interesting side story. It's called Plague War but the only war was on the reader's time.

Bring back STCs.

They never left. The Repulsor used Land's grav STC (finally rediscovered after it was lost presumably during the Heresy) and the chassis of the Repulsor is likely based on the Land Raider STC.

[Ishagu]

So you've not read the book? Because if you had you'd know what I talked about in my post above was equally important to anything else in the novel, probably more so in fact, and there are massive implications for the Imperial religion, the Emperor, Daemons, etc

 

On the topic of STCs - they never left.

[BitsHammer]

So you've not read the book? Because if you had you'd know what I talked about in my post above was equally important to anything else in the novel, probably more so in fact, and there are massive implications for the Imperial religion, the Emperor, Daemons, etc

 

On the topic of STCs - they never left.

I'll admit, I tried reading the book but the first one already drained a lot out of me and I never picked it back up. Not the best Guy Haley books I've read to be honest. Got a summary of it but the most I got from that was that it was REALLY boring.

 

And Pariah Nexus was more what I was talking about with the Imperium's faith. Smiting people with seemingly inhuman powers while in a sector wide null zone? I need to some answers on that one.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

 

Guiliman had to return, apart from possibly the lion he’s the only one who could actually have the tactical acumen to organise the imperium’s defence and reconquest, they needed a tactician not a warrior

They didn't NEED guilliman to come back.

They could have skipped the devastation of Baal in favor of the devastation of terra, had al first and second founding chapters as well as some later founding chapters respond, marines elect Dante to be in command of them and calagar the liaison to help coordinate with the custodes and that's when Dante could have sacrificed himself to protect the big E.

Cadia could have still fallen, and chaos made a significant but noticeably smaller incursion into the imperium.

You misunderstand me I meant of all the primarchs it had to be guiliman, he’s the only one with the tactical ability to re organise & Re take the imperium

 

You’re idea could absolutely work and it’s a really cool story but it had nothing to do with my point

they didn't need to bring a primarch back. It puts GW into a weird place from a hobby perspective...what chapters will people want to play? Chapters who have a living primarch? Or a chapter without a living primarch? When interest in a chapter with a dead primarch wanes, what do you think will happen to those chapters, and from there how do you think interest in those chapters will then go?