Crusade Rules Q’s

[CplHicks]

Hi all.

 

Looking for some input on the following questions regarding crusades.

 

If I take a leviathan dreadnought do I have to pay the cp each game I use it or when I create the roster?

 

And secondly. Can I make my captain a chapter master when I create the roster or do I need to gain xp till he ranks up.

 

Cheers all

 

Dave.

[BluejayJunior]

For the captain, he must get the required xp before he can be upgraded. On page 98, it says that in order to include one in a Crusade force, you must use the requisition. 

[Xenith]

Looks like someone forgot to wake up Hicks! (Sorry, had to).

 

Can't coment on the Levi, but the SM codex definitely has a rule for Chapter master upgrades in Crusade forces, don't recall whether it was in the crusade or upgrade section, though. 

[TrawlingCleaner]

I believe that because you pay a Command Point for it, you would pay the equal amount in Requisition points and it's Crusade Points would go up too in the same way that Tank Ace works for Crusade. When it's in your roster and you've paid the Requisition points for it, you wouldn't need to pay Command points anymore.

 

If you've got someone who's running the Crusade, like a GM or similar, it may be worth clarifying their interpretation of the rules

[BluejayJunior]

That works when for when using a stratagem to upgrade a unit. A leviathan dreadnought costs 1CP when it is in a list. It's not really covered by that Requisition.

It's probably a fair way to do it, but I don't think it's RAW. As far as I can tell, I think it would cost CP everytime you bring it in your list. Unless there is something in the Imperial Armor book that would change it. 

[Cheex]

If I take a leviathan dreadnought do I have to pay the cp each game I use it or when I create the roster?

 

You pay the CP every time you add the Leviathan to your army list for each battle.

 

The Specialist Reinforcements requisition only applies to stratagems, but the Leviathan CP cost is not a stratagem. Think of it as being similar to the CP cost of a detachment: you pay it every battle.

[Arkangilos]

 

If I take a leviathan dreadnought do I have to pay the cp each game I use it or when I create the roster?

You pay the CP every time you add the Leviathan to your army list for each battle.

 

The Specialist Reinforcements requisition only applies to stratagems, but the Leviathan CP cost is not a stratagem. Think of it as being similar to the CP cost of a detachment: you pay it every battle.

I don’t this is the case at.

 

Specialist Reinforcement: Purchase this requisition when you add a crusade card to your order of battle. The order of battle is outside the missions.

 

If the unit only exists by normally spending a stratagem, then you increase the unit by however many crusade points the stratagem would be in command points, so a cost of two command points would translate into +2 crusade points.

 

The upgrade is permanent and cannot be removed.

 

The If the operative word. It all units that can be added use the command points.

 

You only pay the RP once, and increase the crusade points of the roster accordingly.

 

So like, I want to buy unit A. Unit A is 5 Crusade Points, and can be upgraded by a stratagem that costs 2 Command Points. I am allowed to upgrade that unit for free, but have to raise the crusade points cost by 2. So the crusade points would be 7 rather than 5.

Edited December 22, 2020 by Arkangilos

[Cheex]

 

 

If I take a leviathan dreadnought do I have to pay the cp each game I use it or when I create the roster?

You pay the CP every time you add the Leviathan to your army list for each battle.

 

The Specialist Reinforcements requisition only applies to stratagems, but the Leviathan CP cost is not a stratagem. Think of it as being similar to the CP cost of a detachment: you pay it every battle.

I don’t this is the case at.

 

Specialist Reinforcement: Purchase this requisition when you add a crusade card to your order of battle. The order of battle is outside the missions.

 

If the unit only exists by normally spending a stratagem, then you increase the unit by however many crusade points the stratagem would be in command points, so a cost of two command points would translate into +2 crusade points.

 

The upgrade is permanent and cannot be removed.

 

The If the operative word. It all units that can be added use the command points.

 

You only pay the RP once, and increase the crusade points of the roster accordingly.

 

So like, I want to buy unit A. Unit A is 5 Crusade Points, and can be upgraded by a stratagem that costs 2 Command Points. I am allowed to upgrade that unit for free, but have to raise the crusade points cost by 2. So the crusade points would be 7 rather than 5.

 

 

Martial Legacy:

 

"If your army is Battle-forged, then when this unit is included in a Detachment, increase that Detachment's Command Cost by 1CP."

 

It is not a Stratagem, so does not work with Specialist Reinforcements.

[Arkangilos]

 

 

 

 

If I take a leviathan dreadnought do I have to pay the cp each game I use it or when I create the roster?

You pay the CP every time you add the Leviathan to your army list for each battle.

 

The Specialist Reinforcements requisition only applies to stratagems, but the Leviathan CP cost is not a stratagem. Think of it as being similar to the CP cost of a detachment: you pay it every battle.

I don’t this is the case at.

 

Specialist Reinforcement: Purchase this requisition when you add a crusade card to your order of battle. The order of battle is outside the missions.

 

If the unit only exists by normally spending a stratagem, then you increase the unit by however many crusade points the stratagem would be in command points, so a cost of two command points would translate into +2 crusade points.

 

The upgrade is permanent and cannot be removed.

 

The If the operative word. It all units that can be added use the command points.

 

You only pay the RP once, and increase the crusade points of the roster accordingly.

 

So like, I want to buy unit A. Unit A is 5 Crusade Points, and can be upgraded by a stratagem that costs 2 Command Points. I am allowed to upgrade that unit for free, but have to raise the crusade points cost by 2. So the crusade points would be 7 rather than 5.

Martial Legacy:

 

"If your army is Battle-forged, then when this unit is included in a Detachment, increase that Detachment's Command Cost by 1CP."

 

It is not a Stratagem, so does not work with Specialist Reinforcements.

What does that have to do with adding a leviathan dreadnaught?

 

 

Ooooh I see, I think

Edited December 22, 2020 by Arkangilos

[Cheex]

 

What does that have to do with adding a leviathan dreadnaught?

 

 

Ooooh I see, I think

 

 

Martial Legacy is the rule that Leviathans, FW Contemptors etc have that make them cost 1CP.

 

You're not using a Stratagem to buy those units. Those units instead have a rule that increase the Command Cost of the Detachment they're in.

[Arkangilos]

 

 

What does that have to do with adding a leviathan dreadnaught?

 

 

Ooooh I see, I think

 

 

Martial Legacy is the rule that Leviathans, FW Contemptors etc have that make them cost 1CP.

 

You're not using a Stratagem to buy those units. Those units instead have a rule that increase the Command Cost of the Detachment they're in.

 

 

Right, I kept thinking of a regular dreadnaught. But in crusades you don't use strategems to buy anyone. You use the requisition points. 

 

So you don't keep paying for him every game, other than the standard extra cost for the detachment, which is still basically what you said. 

 

For whatever reason I kept thinking Ironclad.

Edited December 22, 2020 by Arkangilos

[Sword Brother Adelard]

No, you would. There is no cost to add the Leviathan dreadnought to your Crusade Force or Roster. That's completely free.

 

When you then take units from your roster to play a game, and put them in a detachment, that detachment's cost is increased by 1 command point.

 

So, yes. You pay for the Leviathan/Relic Contemptor/Deredeo every game.