Veteran Intercessors for the chapter

[nusphigor]

Hey guys,

 

What do you think of the veteran intercessors for the Dark Angels?

i've been playing with some with autobolt rifles and they seem to perform nicely, but now that i'm finally painting my minis i have no idea how to make their veteran status on the actual minis, because they have no robes.
any ideas?

[jbaeza94]

Shoulder icon. Company Veterans typically have a red (or was it white?) sword on their right pad I believe. Another idea is pic out a small heraldic design and a location, and paint all vets with it.

 

In my eyes, vet ints are not the same as 1st company vets, with the proper vet designation being saved for blade guard and other primaries who can make into the deathwing in yet to be determined ways. I think of them as just a squad that’s been around for a while and been through some difficult campaigns. You can pick a campaign badge design and place it on them as well and have that mark them as special.

Edited December 26, 2020 by jbaeza94

[Master Sheol]

IMHO Veteran Intercessors in DA are just primaris CoVets

So for them the red sword of CoVets on right shoulder pads

 

On the battlefield Veteran Intercessors are just Intercessors without ObSec so less useful than regular Intercessors IMHO

[Brother Ramael]

IMHO Veteran Intercessors in DA are just primaris CoVets

So for them the red sword of CoVets on right shoulder pads

 

On the battlefield Veteran Intercessors are just Intercessors without ObSec so less useful than regular Intercessors IMHO

I agree, if you need melee they're badly outclassed for the cost and for firepower they're not better than a normal squad.... that being sad, they have some appeal but mostly from the modeling angle imho.

[aura_enchanted]

Veteran intercessors and assaults are both pretty bad, assaults pickup extra attacks at the loss of honor the chapter as well as obsec, thats not worth, and regular veteran intercessors are basically only better then company veterans if their in their stock configuration, the second we discuss utility we run into the problem that bolter rifles are just better then boltguns, they arent better then melta guns, or plasma guns, and they certainly aren't better then combi rifles. Then we run into the terrible problem that the impulsor while a better transport then a rhino the drop pod is just as affordable and can deposit them into the thick of a fight or at obtuse board locations making them twice as dangerous. And they don't offer you the slot saving on the apothecary or ancient.

 

I think that they simply serve as a "dead unit" within the codex but thats okay they can be a dead unit, other armies have them too, just be glad their redundant and not essential to how your army could work like say 6th edition deathwing or 5th edition dark eldar mandrakes

 

Using another case example of how bad they are they occupy the same slot in primaris armies as bladeguard who absolute would decimate assault intercessors in a sword fight thanks to higher survivability and damage per model. And while there aren't other elite shooting primaris units, there's higher quality shooters, inceptors, hellblasters, aggressors, eradicators, and eliminators all are prime examples :cuss in a stabbing fight reivers will stab down veteran intercessors with rifle butts and their identical slot in an equal models scenario.

 

I think that the intercessor veterans just are a dead unit, a trap for beginners or a way of building an army on a budget perhaps.

Edited December 26, 2020 by aura_enchanted

[Master Sheol]

Veteran intercessors and assaults are both pretty bad, assaults pickup extra attacks at the loss of honor the chapter as well as obsec, thats not worth, and regular veteran intercessors are basically only better then company veterans if their in their stock configuration, the second we discuss utility we run into the problem that bolter rifles are just better then boltguns, they arent better then melta guns, or plasma guns, and they certainly aren't better then combi rifles. Then we run into the terrible problem that the impulsor while a better transport then a rhino the drop pod is just as affordable and can deposit them into the thick of a fight or at obtuse board locations making them twice as dangerous. And they don't offer you the slot saving on the apothecary or ancient.

 

I think that they simply serve as a "dead unit" within the codex but thats okay they can be a dead unit, other armies have them too, just be glad their redundant and not essential to how your army could work like say 6th edition deathwing or 5th edition dark eldar mandrakes

 

Using another case example of how bad they are they occupy the same slot in primaris armies as bladeguard who absolute would decimate assault intercessors in a sword fight thanks to higher survivability and damage per model. And while there aren't other elite shooting primaris units, there's higher quality shooters, inceptors, hellblasters, aggressors, eradicators, and eliminators all are prime examples in a stabbing fight reivers will stab down veteran intercessors with rifle butts and their identical slot in an equal models scenario.

 

I think that the intercessor veterans just are a dead unit, a trap for beginners or a way of building an army on a budget perhaps.

They are a bad unit in every SM chapter both in shooting and assault configuration

They are basically +1A intercessors that lose ObSec

No SM army need them even in a primaris only army

[aura_enchanted]

I dont think there's ever a world where they would be good

[Master Sheol]

I dont think there's ever a world where they would be good

they would be good only if they had access to options the basic inercessors don't have

but as they use the same kit of the troops intercessors they are just a wasted datasheet

[nusphigor]

IMHO Veteran Intercessors in DA are just primaris CoVets

So for them the red sword of CoVets on right shoulder pads

 

On the battlefield Veteran Intercessors are just Intercessors without ObSec so less useful than regular Intercessors IMHO

 

Thank you mate!

So red Swords it is!

 

Now i just have to find the symbol for the lieutenant and i'm done :)

[jbaeza94]

 

 

IMHO Veteran Intercessors in DA are just primaris CoVets

So for them the red sword of CoVets on right shoulder pads

 

On the battlefield Veteran Intercessors are just Intercessors without ObSec so less useful than regular Intercessors IMHO

Thank you mate!

So red Swords it is!

 

Now i just have to find the symbol for the lieutenant and i'm done :)

After looking at official GW art and minis, veterans have white swords and Lt’s have red swords

[Master Sheol]

 

 

IMHO Veteran Intercessors in DA are just primaris CoVets

So for them the red sword of CoVets on right shoulder pads

 

On the battlefield Veteran Intercessors are just Intercessors without ObSec so less useful than regular Intercessors IMHO

Thank you mate!

So red Swords it is!

 

Now i just have to find the symbol for the lieutenant and i'm done

After looking at official GW art and minis, veterans have white swords and Lt’s have red swords

 

On codex both have red swords

They had white sqords in 7th edition codex and the lieutenants were introduced in 8th edition codex when the sword became red

Probably the veterans on the site are models painted in 7th edition

[JJD]

Although the tactical, assault and devastator markings are red on a green background. The company veteran is a white sword on a green background.

Edited December 28, 2020 by JJD

[JJD]

The above picture is from 7th (possibly 6th) Ed codex

However on page 15 of the 8th Ed codex it is red on a green background so Master Sheol was correct.

I had not noticed that before. I’ll stand down now.

PS I think I will keep mine white for consistency.

PPS I don’t know why the image flipped sideways when I uploaded it.

PPPS Happy Christmas.

Edited December 28, 2020 by JJD

[jbaeza94]

It’s kinda strange that Lt and veterans would have the same marking. With that being said, to differentiate, pick a color for one and use the other for the other lol

 

Or paint them the same so you can use a super sweet looking sergeant or a differently armed but simple looking Lt from time to time

[WARMASTER_]

Veteran intercessors and assaults are both pretty bad, assaults pickup extra attacks at the loss of honor the chapter as well as obsec, thats not worth, and regular veteran intercessors are basically only better then company veterans if their in their stock configuration, the second we discuss utility we run into the problem that bolter rifles are just better then boltguns, they arent better then melta guns, or plasma guns, and they certainly aren't better then combi rifles. Then we run into the terrible problem that the impulsor while a better transport then a rhino the drop pod is just as affordable and can deposit them into the thick of a fight or at obtuse board locations making them twice as dangerous. And they don't offer you the slot saving on the apothecary or ancient.

 

I think that they simply serve as a "dead unit" within the codex but thats okay they can be a dead unit, other armies have them too, just be glad their redundant and not essential to how your army could work like say 6th edition deathwing or 5th edition dark eldar mandrakes

 

Using another case example of how bad they are they occupy the same slot in primaris armies as bladeguard who absolute would decimate assault intercessors in a sword fight thanks to higher survivability and damage per model. And while there aren't other elite shooting primaris units, there's higher quality shooters, inceptors, hellblasters, aggressors, eradicators, and eliminators all are prime examples :cuss in a stabbing fight reivers will stab down veteran intercessors with rifle butts and their identical slot in an equal models scenario.

 

I think that the intercessor veterans just are a dead unit, a trap for beginners or a way of building an army on a budget perhaps.

I honestly think you’re pretty far of here, you’re weighing up a units merits purely off what else there is in the codex rather than evaluating what they do for their points.

 

Example (as close I as could get with unit sizes on points)

 

(All attack values are on the charge)

 

10 Vet Assault intercessors 220 points = 51 S4 AP-1 D1 attacks

10 Heavy Bolt pistols 18” S4 AP-1 D1

 

10 Veteran Intercessors 220 points =

41 S4 AP0 D1 attacks +

10 Bolt Rifles 30” Rapid Fire S4 -1AP D1 (again Bolt Rifles to taste Auto bolt rifles shine here too)

 

6 BGV 210 points = 25 S5 AP-3 D2 attacks

6 Heavy Bolt pistols 18” S4 AP-1 D1 (you could add 1 Plasma or Volkite pistol for 5pts)

 

10 Company Veterans (Chainsword + Bolter) 200 Points (2 Squads of 5) = 31 S4 AP-1 D1 attacks

10 Bolters 24” Rapid fire S4 AP0 1D

 

(we have 20 points to play with on these guys so add flavour of power Weapon or Special weapon to taste)

 

What we see here isn’t a dead unit at all or a unit that’s “bad” it’s a unit that’s made to take on different targets than the Bladeguard!

 

If you’re facing any kind of hoard army the sheer volume of attacks and shots you can get out of veteran intercessors is ungodly! They’ll chew through huge amounts of T4 1/2W infantry, Where as if you’re taking on higher toughness better save 2W+ heavy infantry BGV will excel every time

 

You can’t judge a unit by this unit of bladeguard would kill them so they’re universally better it doesn’t work that way units are meant to different purposes

 

Stock load out Company Veterans don’t rank up even close to the Vet Intercessors, they have lots of utility as you say, but this also comes at a very steep cost in points so while they can be a great little utility squad they’ll also have very poor resilience for there cost

 

So where as I’ll absolutely say they aren’t the best unit in the codex they’re also not by any metric a dead unit or a trap for new players

 

They also offer us a great modelling opportunity and who doesn’t love that

Edited December 28, 2020 by BladeOfVengeance

[nusphigor]

Thank you brothers!

 

I'll paint the vets with a white sword on green field and the lieutenant with a white sword on a red strip on a green field just to differentiate it and also give it a bit of heraldry :)

 

As for the effectiveness of the unit, i don't really play competitively.

When I have time to play, i just do it for the fun of it. So most of the time i spend on the hobby is just painting and creating narratives which sometimes i translate to short stories.

I am looking forward to play a Crusade campaign, but because of the covid and the holiday season i've had to postergate that a lot (like A LOT)