Magos Takatus Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Greetings all, I have noticed that Mortarion has created quite a stir in the Space Marine forum and they are proceeding to gather their mightiest warriors to say the vile foe. A friend of mine has a respectable-sized Death Guard army with Mortarion at the helm. I haven't encountered them on the battlefield yet but with their recent codex the plague Primarch sounds pretty formidable. Has anyone started to start working on battleplans to counter him yet? I was wondering if the Fusilave stratagem Electro-Filament Countermeasures would help shut his auras down for a turn? I am unsure what kind of weapon combinations would work. Would it still just be a case of loading up on Phosphor Kastellans and Wrath of Mars or are there other combinations that would appear more effective? I am relatively new to fielding my army so I'm not sure what tactics to employ. Would Icarus Dunecrawlers do damage through sheer weight of fire or would Ferrumite Skorpius be more helpful? I'd like a decent blob of Fulgurite Electro Priests for mortal wound spam but I expect Mortarion would just mulch them before they could gain their 3+ invulnerable. I personally built my army just to pick some units I thought looked cool so I haven't loaded up on any particular models yet, apart from having an autocannon Ironstrider and two Dragoons for causing mischief. I'm looking to expand those elements to my army but let's face it, I'm potentially looking to expand everything in my army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_b Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) Greetings all, I am unsure what kind of weapon combinations would work. Would it still just be a case of loading up on Phosphor Kastellans and Wrath of Mars or are there other combinations that would appear more effective? This would be my go to. In fact with disgustingly resilient being a reduction in damage now, I think it’s even better. Mars Admech may be one of the best counters to Mortarion and Magnus. Edited January 19, 2021 by brother_b Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5655451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) Reduced damage and all his saves means you need as many shots or mortal wounds as possible. The higher strength the better but never at the expense of loosing mass of fire. You are going to kill him by having him fail his saves or simply bypassing them all. Bots are pretty much perfect, Dragoons with autocannons have a lot of shots too but don't forget to shoot your vanguard and rangers too, every lost save is important. Disco priests will die before they get to hit him, doesn't he have a fight last buff? I saw a recent batrep and he had 17 attacks or something in a single fight phase. The only other thing to worry about is what the rest of his army is doing while you are hitting Morty, do not let them get to the objectives or you will never shift them off. Edited January 19, 2021 by Black_Knight brother_b 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5655528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 For me it's just Mars and mortal wounds. Stalling with Priests, and hoping holding my own objectives work. I have no delusion of actually killing him though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5656151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) i find tar pits pf 5 vanguard do the trick also mass volley fire from anything you can lay on him also works Edited January 20, 2021 by clanfield Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5656317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I am guessing that Cawl doesn't really stand a chance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5657450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Not since 7th, he's not the Murder Death Machine he used to be. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5658293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Phosphorus. Dmg1 and additional mortal wounds, are best tools against DG. Not only against Morty, but everything a DG player would bring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5664625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magos Takatus Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 I suppose Str6 (potentially 7 with Martian strat from Engine War) would be ideal for chewing through his minions too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5664629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 The math is desperate to DG side. Since "long range fire support" in most DG lists only confer to…a pair of PBCs, DG cannot cripple a kastelan robot unit（they start the game with 2+/4++, right?） in turn1. It is possible for a robot unit fire once(assumed only once) with full strength. 6 phosphor robots have 108 shots. Morty would always bring the trait which shut down enemy rerolls in "contagion range"(start with 9 inches, could be increased to max 12 inches via psychic). Just assume he got it. 3+ to hit, with no reroll, nets 72 hits. 72 hits generate 12 MW from Wrath. 8 go through the FNP. Normal wounds also make 24 wounds, 12 after 4+isv, 8 after FNP. Morty has ~2 wounds left, and Admech has 1000+ pts units waiting to shoot. DG would like to cast miasma(-1 hit) on Morty, but Admech also has answers in psychic defense. The matchup strongly favor Admech. There is really should be DG players asking "how to deal with admech?". Gaz1858 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5664651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tychobi Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Morty is no issue for admech. Shoot him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368600-how-to-deal-with-mortarion/#findComment-5664665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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