animal310 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) On 1/25/2021 at 8:16 AM, mc warhammer said: On 1/24/2021 at 5:16 PM, animal310 said: Reveal hidden contents For some reason Omegon was referred to in the plural initially when Alpharius first meets him, I’ve not worked that out yet triplet theory confirmed j/k though... Reveal hidden contents it would allow for adb's primarch pod scene with a multilimbed occupant of the xx pod to still work. or that rather than being twins or triplets, alpharius repawns? like a hydra head, but alsoa bit too much like vulcan Reveal hidden contents I think I have worked this out and I should have picked up on it on the first read, I believe that Mike has used ‘them’ ‘their’ and ‘they’ in their usage as singular pronouns as at the time they are used the gender and the identity of the individual Alpharius was referring to was unknown. It may also be a slight tease to the triplet theory but I don’t think it is. Edited January 28, 2021 by animal310 caladancid 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5660577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Mike mentioned the discussion about a third Primarch in relation to his novel on Twitter. From what I remember, it's not true. Can't find the tweet, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5660600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) Reveal hidden contents So can someone explain to me how Alpharius landed on terra but his twin brother landed elsewhere? And how that works with "maybe the Emperor doesn't even know about him, who knows?" Plot? Edited January 28, 2021 by Captain Idaho Sons of Horus 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5660639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
animal310 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) Reveal hidden contents They discuss the possibilities when they meet, one theory they have is that somehow their pod was replicated while in the warp, Alpharius’s landing on Terra and Omegon’s landing on the unnamed planet. Therefore the Emperor would have no knowledge that there were two of them because when the pod’s disappeared there was only one.Part of Alpharius’s pod was missing as well so it’s possible they were together and their pod was split in the warp, one part landing on Terra the other on the unnamed planet. The Emperor would therefore know about them both and he does make a vague comment about something missing but it’s not clarified what and Alpharius does not discuss his thoughts about this with the Emperor.Neither Alpharius nor Omegon (apparently) know the truth, which obviously fits with the Legion and its left ambiguous. Edited January 28, 2021 by animal310 Captain Idaho 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5660650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFurioso Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 2:33 PM, animal310 said: Reveal hidden contents The Emperor would therefore know about them both and he does make a vague comment about something missing Question about the Emperor Reveal hidden contents Am I correct that Emperor learned about Omegon when Horus discovered him? He and Malcador knew about Alpharius, and suddenly Horus meets 'another' Alpharius. If not, perhaps they thought this was a joke of Alpharius or his attempt to reveal himself to wider Imperium... Though why he did this so late, 180 years after the start of the Great Crusade? Was it permitted by Emperor at all? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5660668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
animal310 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) I’m reluctant to spoil much more, it’s a great book and reading it will provide a lot of the answers (much better than any explanation here). I do really think that BL, and their customers would be better served by releasing the special, hardback and digital editions at the same time so that everyone can read the book at the same time. I cannot understand why they do not do this! The Special editions will sell out anyway in about 10 minutes. To answer your question though, Reveal hidden contents No the Emperor did not learn about Omegon because when Horus discovered him he claimed to be Alpharius. Until Omegon was ‘found’, no one outside of the Alpha Legion (and a very small number of others) knew of Alpharius existence. If the Emperor did not know that there were two of them originally then he would have just assumed that this was Alpharius finally revealing himself. It was so late because they wanted to wait until all the other Primarchs were found first to get a read on them. There is more to it but as I said, the book covers it best. Edited January 28, 2021 by animal310 Noserenda, Roomsky, RedFurioso and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5660677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedor Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 10:27 AM, animal310 said: On 1/27/2021 at 8:42 PM, Fedor said: Anyone that has finished the book have any thoughts on this theory that is on reddit... Reveal hidden contents That the book proves/heavily suggests that Alpharius and Omegon actually switched identities the entire time from the two meeting, right through to the end of the heresy Or is the switch in it just said to be for the fleet attack reveal against Horus? Reveal hidden contents No, not sure where anyone is getting that, they agree that Omegon should be the one to be 'found' by Horus to ensure a more genuine reaction to him as Alpharius had set eyes on him before. Alpharius does remark that he "would love to see it", so he was probably there as well as a Luna Wolf! Thanks. The theory thread is on 40klore subreddit if you're interested in reading it. animal310 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5660798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 5:02 PM, aa.logan said: On 1/27/2021 at 4:36 PM, DukeLeto69 said: So I have not bought or read a single Primarchs novel. They just do not interest me and the series has clearly been a mixed bag. However, I do really like Mike Brooks writing so am wondering when Alpharius comes out in Std HB whether to get it? Confess to losing track of all the lore stuff from time-to-time so having read the spoilers I am not sure those reveals would bother me either way. Yes, do get it. Some of the books in the series feel less ‘essential’ than others; the Khan one, for example, is great, but we have seen plenty of him elsewhere. Ferrus Manus has it’s fans, but I didn’t feel all I learnt much about him or what made his Legion tick coming away from reading it. Alpharius hits the sweet spot- relatively little explored Primarch coupled with a great story that couldn’t be about anyone else. Thanks. Looks like I will need to get this and maybe a few other Primarch books (but not the series) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5661240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 More importantly (for me) is when is this released as ebook? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5661291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preliminary Bombardment Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just finished this last night, perfect timing as Mortis arrived this morning! I'll add that I enjoyed this too, also there's just a certain way to Alpharius that makes you understand why none of his brothers liked him very much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5661465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drooling blood Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Query Reveal hidden contents So Dorn, whos a bit of a brick, can figure out which one is Alphi in a group.But none of his other brothers, Psyker, smellovision, secretist, spotted him over what, the 160 years he was poking around the legions? Asf a primarch has never seen Magnus, a shape shifting projectionist in his true form. Which also seems to be Alphis power, more so than John cant see me Corax. Dorn only seems to see the physical. Which kind of implies that hes some sort of Psykik blank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 8:32 PM, Mellow said: More importantly (for me) is when is this released as ebook? Probably April at the latest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 4:13 PM, drooling blood said: Query Reveal hidden contents So Dorn, whos a bit of a brick, can figure out which one is Alphi in a group.But none of his other brothers, Psyker, smellovision, secretist, spotted him over what, the 160 years he was poking around the legions? Asf a primarch has never seen Magnus, a shape shifting projectionist in his true form. Which also seems to be Alphis power, more so than John cant see me Corax. Dorn only seems to see the physical. Which kind of implies that hes some sort of Psykik blank. I think dorn has Reveal hidden contents kind of a "reality" amplifier effect, and can reinforce real space and weaken warp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arendious Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) On 2/3/2021 at 1:13 AM, Triszin said: On 2/2/2021 at 4:13 PM, drooling blood said: Query Reveal hidden contents So Dorn, whos a bit of a brick, can figure out which one is Alphi in a group.But none of his other brothers, Psyker, smellovision, secretist, spotted him over what, the 160 years he was poking around the legions? Asf a primarch has never seen Magnus, a shape shifting projectionist in his true form. Which also seems to be Alphis power, more so than John cant see me Corax. Dorn only seems to see the physical. Which kind of implies that hes some sort of Psykik blank. I think dorn has Reveal hidden contents kind of a "reality" amplifier effect, and can reinforce real space and weaken warp That would explain why no one really seems comfortable around him... Edited February 3, 2021 by Arendious Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Dorn just keeps it real Karhedron and Kelborn 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Wasn't Dorn capable of seeing "little defects" as per The Lightning Tower? Maybe he could percieve Alpharius disguised among his warriors focusing on the faults of his acting. That wouldn't explain how could he infiltrate the Fists at one point though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Well in the confrontation with dorn you have to ask yourself a number of questions, some of which will be spoilered; Reveal hidden contents is it just alpharius who has the "camouflage power" or is it both of them? Who was there alpahrius or omegon? Reveal hidden contents was the power actually being used? Did he intend to actually trick dorn? Did he intend to prove his superiority by tricking dorn? Now imo Reveal hidden contents I think both of them have the camouflage ability, as it would be too inconsistent otherwise. Both omegon and alpharius have hidden or disguised themselves as non-primarchs so to try and say that in situation X it was just a good costume but in situation Y it was the power is a bit of a reach. I also think that "Omegon" is the 1st primarch and "Alpharius" is the 21st; theres too many situations where the presented alpharius is trying to prove something or is insecure or angry. If he was the 1st and infiltrated the various legions and was fine with staying hidden I don't think he'd freak out on abbadon for not being respectful, or have a fit when the chondax storms blew out. I also don't think his military technique with his preferred method would be sloppy enough for dorn to just do it better. In the context of the dorn meeting I think it was "alpharius" (the 21st) who was in the meeting, but I don't think he was using the power. If you're trying to flex and show superiority then cheating undermines the entire thing and robs it of the satisfaction. Dorn simply had good perception and caught him out. Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedor Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 It could just be that his abilities can hold up a lot better to another primarch when they aren't expecting or even know he exists. mc warhammer, DarkChaplain and Noserenda 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preliminary Bombardment Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Or Dorn made a lucky guess and was too stubborn to believe he could be wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 from memory alpharius confirms dorn guessed correctly....then again it would be within alpharius' mo to let dorn believe that if we take all the fiction at face value up to this point, it would seem that the primarch uses everything from cosmetic surgery, to blood infusion mind wiping and his innate perception shifting powers given the circumstance. the showdown between the two primarchs could have been a blend of any of those or just one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Too many variables in the scene where Dorn identifies Alpharius. We don't know if Alpharius was relying on "conventional" abilities or some more esoteric power. We also don't know how Dorn saw through the disguise. To be fair, it would not be in Dorn's interest to reveal Alpharius's "tell" in case he needed to use it again. Did Dorn notice some subtle flaw or does he have some ability of his own to see through deceptions? "Those who do not lie are not easily fooled!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerOrders Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I could swear that one of the short stories (I think it was the Primarchs anthology) has Omegon specifically saying he has a bit of archaeotech that allows him to hide his size and generate a disguise. Its been years though, so grain of salt. That would be a very handy little piece of gear though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) I'm impressed, to say the least. Never thought I'd ever be so anxious to read an Alpha Legion book, but here we are! On 2/4/2021 at 7:36 PM, StrangerOrders said: I could swear that one of the short stories (I think it was the Primarchs anthology) has Omegon specifically saying he has a bit of archaeotech that allows him to hide his size and generate a disguise. Its been years though, so grain of salt. That would be a very handy little piece of gear though. I remember that, thought it was in Legion that they're mentioned. The Custodes use similar devices for Blood Games/infiltration. Edited February 4, 2021 by Darkwrath121 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 You mean the falsehoods? They're pretty much a catchall stealth device; size distortion right to invisibility. I feel like it have come from deliverance lost if anywhere, but either way, it might throw my theory into doubt. It also might be a lie, like "prototype reflex technology" of the raven guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5663918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I’m reading this, far too slowly as I’m not getting reading time at the moment but it’s brilliant so far. This series has largely been a massive let down bar three or four exceptions and so far this is one of the exceptions Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/368687-alpharius/page/5/#findComment-5664073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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