New DA combat patrol box.

[Master Sheol]

 

 

i think that if the others are anything to go by, dark angels will likely get a datasheet in it for a primaris interrogator chaplain

No model no rules sorry

 

Someone should tell GW that they can't release Hounds of Morkai or Death Company Intercessors because just adding a new alternative datasheet to an existing kit isn't allowed by Master Sheol.

 

 

And in the Monitorum Field Manual errata there was points for the Strikemaster but no mention of Primaris Int-Chap

Sad but true

 

I think it is risky to assume that the field manual will have all units for codexes that are not released at the time the field manual was published.  We already have an announced new sister unit that isn't in the manual.  And even before that, I suspect that we'll have some surprises in the Dark Eldar codex that weren't foretold in the field manual.

 

Maybe the DA supplement was supposed to be released before the FAQ and then it ended as we now

And isn't silly that in the Munitorum errata there is an unreleased DA unit (the strike master) but the Primaris Int-Chap is not?

I don't think this unit is included in the DA supplement for these reasons

[WrathOfTheLion]

I don't think it is included for now. They may add it in a campaign book later, but the main focus here is to get rid of our 8E codices.

 

There are also no talonmasters or Ravenwing Masters for Primaris, so there's a few things missing.

[Angel of Solitude]

I think we need to see more foundation being laid in the lore before we see a Primaris Interrogator-Chaplain. The last reference to this subject in The Test of Faith was pretty clear: Asmodai and the other ICs do not believe that their Primaris brethren can be trusted enough to be raised to the rank of Interrogator-Chaplain.

 

In my view, it will take a significant event to convince the Inner Circle that the Primaris can now be trusted. A future campaign centred around Luther, Daemon Prince Marbas and the swelling masses of the Fallen is the right setting for this to take place. 

 

Until then, we can just get around it by taking our existing Primaris Chaplains (especially those on Bikes!) and upgrading them to Masters of the Reclusiam. Lore be damned!

[jaxom]

I'm going to put this here before I start a new topic Fire Discipline, but the heavy assault bolters on the inceptors on the box make more sense now.

[Iron Sage]

Congrats guys ! That is one sexy and really good, Combat Patrol full of utility. Will probably sell well both to beginners and experienced players alike.

 

*Sits in a corner and glares in envy and compares it to the Death Guard Combat Patrol*

[Iron Sage]

I think we need to see more foundation being laid in the lore before we see a Primaris Interrogator-Chaplain. The last reference to this subject in The Test of Faith was pretty clear: Asmodai and the other ICs do not believe that their Primaris brethren can be trusted enough to be raised to the rank of Interrogator-Chaplain.

 

In my view, it will take a significant event to convince the Inner Circle that the Primaris can now be trusted. A future campaign centred around Luther, Daemon Prince Marbas and the swelling masses of the Fallen is the right setting for this to take place. 

 

Until then, we can just get around it by taking our existing Primaris Chaplains (especially those on Bikes!) and upgrading them to Masters of the Reclusiam. Lore be damned!

In my cynical opinion, GW will let one of their writers write some superficial fluff piece as to why they have changed their mind lately, or worse, retcon hammer it. I doubt First Born will even be sold in 10th edition, so this edition needs to phase them out with some sort of lore-butchering. I mean, notice how you have suddenly Primaris Death Wing after Indomitus....

 

Just my opinion.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Iron Sage

[WARMASTER_]

 

 

I think we need to see more foundation being laid in the lore before we see a Primaris Interrogator-Chaplain. The last reference to this subject in The Test of Faith was pretty clear: Asmodai and the other ICs do not believe that their Primaris brethren can be trusted enough to be raised to the rank of Interrogator-Chaplain.

 

In my view, it will take a significant event to convince the Inner Circle that the Primaris can now be trusted. A future campaign centred around Luther, Daemon Prince Marbas and the swelling masses of the Fallen is the right setting for this to take place.

 

Until then, we can just get around it by taking our existing Primaris Chaplains (especially those on Bikes!) and upgrading them to Masters of the Reclusiam. Lore be damned!

In my cynical opinion, GW will let one of their writers write some superficial fluff piece as to why they have changed their mind lately, or worse, retcon hammer it. I doubt First Born will even be sold in 10th edition, so this edition needs to phase them out with some sort of lore-butchering. I mean, notice how you have suddenly Primaris Death Wing after Indomitus....

 

Just my opinion.

Primaris have been included in the DW lore wise since September 2019 so waaay before Indomitus released or was even announced

 

While some people seem to be really against their inclusion in the DW it’s the obvious natural progression.

 

Also there’s been Primaris in the chapter for over a hundred years now, so there’s definitely going to be Primaris astartes that the DA inducted themselves, fully indoctrinated into the chapter cult. So they wouldn’t be distrusted as outsiders (well more/less so than they normally do their own)

[Gederas]

I think we need to see more foundation being laid in the lore before we see a Primaris Interrogator-Chaplain. The last reference to this subject in The Test of Faith was pretty clear: Asmodai and the other ICs do not believe that their Primaris brethren can be trusted enough to be raised to the rank of Interrogator-Chaplain.

 

In my view, it will take a significant event to convince the Inner Circle that the Primaris can now be trusted. A future campaign centred around Luther, Daemon Prince Marbas and the swelling masses of the Fallen is the right setting for this to take place.

 

Until then, we can just get around it by taking our existing Primaris Chaplains (especially those on Bikes!) and upgrading them to Masters of the Reclusiam. Lore be damned!

In my cynical opinion, GW will let one of their writers write some superficial fluff piece as to why they have changed their mind lately, or worse, retcon hammer it. I doubt First Born will even be sold in 10th edition, so this edition needs to phase them out with some sort of lore-butchering. I mean, notice how you have suddenly Primaris Death Wing after Indomitus....

 

Just my opinion.

Primaris have been included in the DW lore wise since September 2019 so waaay before Indomitus released or was even announced

 

While some people seem to be really against their inclusion in the DW it’s the obvious natural progression.

 

Also there’s been Primaris in the chapter for over a hundred years now, so there’s definitely going to be Primaris astartes that the DA inducted themselves, fully indoctrinated into the chapter cult. So they wouldn’t be distrusted as outsiders (well more/less so than they normally do their own)

We've had Primaris Deathwing IN THE LORE since the Dark Angels Index Astartes in the White Dwarf from almost a year ago....

 

And no, people have been against their inclusion in the DW because REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PRIMARIS ARE BADLORE!!!1!!!111!

 

It's still literally just because people have some vitriolic, asinine reaction to Primaris. It's aggravating and sickening. It's been :cuss four years now.

[Brother Ramael]

Regardless, DW Primaris are a fact as things are ( regardless of how far in they are with the circles); I'd keep a classic(aka pragmatical)  Da attitude over it.

[Gederas]

Regardless, DW Primaris are a fact as things are ( regardless of how far in they are with the circles); I'd keep a classic(aka pragmatical)  Da attitude over it.

Exactly. I use what tools work and the ones I like.

[WrathOfTheLion]

If there's Primaris in the Deathwing and in the Inner Circle, I see no reason why Interrogator-Chaplains won't be soon to follow. Would love to see a Primaris Interrogator-Chaplain kit at some point, although I don't think it will be now.

[Berzul]

I think it is pretty obvious that the Primaris Interrogator is coming. I mean, c'mon... Do we REALLY and honestly think that we are NOT going to get one?

 

Maybe what has been happening here is that GW has decided to be a bit more careful with the way their range moves forward. Trying to slow things down a bit, from what has been their early commercial strategy with the new Space Marines. Specially with armies such as ours, that are filled with players who are so slow to adopt these new models and forsake their old ones.

 

In the end, I think it is an absolute certainty that they are, indeed, coming. Same as I believe that, over time, every single firstborn unit will go away for good. The only true question being on whether or not we will gate replacements for them, from the new Space Marines.

 

In that regard, an Interrogator Chaplain seems to me like an obvious situation of just upgrading the unit  by bringing in the Primaris version. Others such as Black Knights and Deathwing Knights look less probable, to be honest. I do get the feel that the end game with the Primaris thing still is to end up with a range that is more generic and available to all sub-factions, with the differences between armies being in Character sculpts, and rules, more than in the existence of unique units.

 

So, in conclusion, just be patient guys, Primaris Interrogators are most definitely coming. It's just going to take a little while longer.

[WARMASTER_]

 

 

 

I think we need to see more foundation being laid in the lore before we see a Primaris Interrogator-Chaplain. The last reference to this subject in The Test of Faith was pretty clear: Asmodai and the other ICs do not believe that their Primaris brethren can be trusted enough to be raised to the rank of Interrogator-Chaplain.

 

In my view, it will take a significant event to convince the Inner Circle that the Primaris can now be trusted. A future campaign centred around Luther, Daemon Prince Marbas and the swelling masses of the Fallen is the right setting for this to take place.

 

Until then, we can just get around it by taking our existing Primaris Chaplains (especially those on Bikes!) and upgrading them to Masters of the Reclusiam. Lore be damned!

In my cynical opinion, GW will let one of their writers write some superficial fluff piece as to why they have changed their mind lately, or worse, retcon hammer it. I doubt First Born will even be sold in 10th edition, so this edition needs to phase them out with some sort of lore-butchering. I mean, notice how you have suddenly Primaris Death Wing after Indomitus....

 

Just my opinion.

Primaris have been included in the DW lore wise since September 2019 so waaay before Indomitus released or was even announced

 

While some people seem to be really against their inclusion in the DW it’s the obvious natural progression.

 

Also there’s been Primaris in the chapter for over a hundred years now, so there’s definitely going to be Primaris astartes that the DA inducted themselves, fully indoctrinated into the chapter cult. So they wouldn’t be distrusted as outsiders (well more/less so than they normally do their own)

We've had Primaris Deathwing IN THE LORE since the Dark Angels Index Astartes in the White Dwarf from almost a year ago....

 

And no, people have been against their inclusion in the DW because REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PRIMARIS ARE BADLORE!!!1!!!111!

 

It's still literally just because people have some vitriolic, asinine reaction to Primaris. It's aggravating and sickening. It's been :cuss four years now.

It’s been over a year man that was my point the DA index was September 19

 

But yeh the constantly outraged internet always begging for progression of lore then resisting changes bullishly for years... weird

[Angel of Solitude]

It’s also been a similarly long period of time since we discovered that Luther had escaped from the Rock, and that there were large forces of the Falllen gathering, but we haven’t seen anything come from that yet. GW has also “reset the clock” somewhat with 9th Ed, choosing to expand on the Indomitus lore rather than events afterwards.

 

For commercial reasons, it will always make sense for GW to take its time updating its model range. Since 9th Ed, they’ve released two new Primaris Chaplains, they will want to shift plenty of those before introducing another chapter-specific One. May not be aligned with what we - the fans - want, but it is what it is. I mean, you could be Eldar players still awaiting a refresh of, well - all their units!

[Hantheman]

Also lore-wise remeber that Azrael is no fool (as confirmed by Luther himself). He's even said that DA's paranoia and mistrust has been holding back the chapter. Primaris are here to stay, they'll be allowed to prove themselves and earn their ranks.

[WARMASTER_]

It’s also been a similarly long period of time since we discovered that Luther had escaped from the Rock, and that there were large forces of the Falllen gathering, but we haven’t seen anything come from that yet. GW has also “reset the clock” somewhat with 9th Ed, choosing to expand on the Indomitus lore rather than events afterwards.

 

For commercial reasons, it will always make sense for GW to take its time updating its model range. Since 9th Ed, they’ve released two new Primaris Chaplains, they will want to shift plenty of those before introducing another chapter-specific One. May not be aligned with what we - the fans - want, but it is what it is. I mean, you could be Eldar players still awaiting a refresh of, well - all their units!

Don’t forget they haven’t really reset anything, they’ve only moved a single conflict within the time line so the Dawn of Fire series has a meaningful end, we’re still 100/150 years after the rift opened

 

And completely agree, it’s just good business, why make a specific chapter character when you can make one for everyone and sell it to everyone. I’m guessing we won’t see many more chapter characters until the range is fully flushed out

[Arbiter7]

I think it is clear by now that the CP boxes are generic stuff only - meant to get people easily into a Marine army by picking up a few boxes here and there - you can always sell the upgrade sheets you don't need.

[bigtrouble]

I just started collecting again for the first time since I was a kid, so for me the box is actually a nice set. I do have my issues with it though.

 

For one, I don't love the DA upgrade sprue. The pads are nice, but the upturned power sword is really limiting. I have a few of these sprues already, and I only plan on using that sword once. I feel like it cheapens the effect. So instead of having a nice fluffy option, I have a bunch of swords that are really hard to convert.

 

For two, I am not a fan of that robed Chaplain model. The robes look silly and unnaturally stiff. He looks like an upside down ice cream cone. 

[davextreme]

Well the upgrade sprues are rip-offs in general. I agree about the pose. The Blood Angels set has a less conspicuous chainsword and bolt pistol. (But even there, it’s just a regular chainsword. No blood drop decoration or wings.)

[WARMASTER_]

I just started collecting again for the first time since I was a kid, so for me the box is actually a nice set. I do have my issues with it though.

 

For one, I don't love the DA upgrade sprue. The pads are nice, but the upturned power sword is really limiting. I have a few of these sprues already, and I only plan on using that sword once. I feel like it cheapens the effect. So instead of having a nice fluffy option, I have a bunch of swords that are really hard to convert.

It’s definitely a missed opportunity. A simple “arm holding sword” in generic position would have gone a lot further. it’s a really nice sword too! With the bladeguard coming out though we can finally give every Sergeant one with ease :)

[ValourousHeart]

For one, I don't love the DA upgrade sprue. The pads are nice, but the upturned power sword is really limiting. I have a few of these sprues already, and I only plan on using that sword once. I feel like it cheapens the effect. So instead of having a nice fluffy option, I have a bunch of swords that are really hard to convert.

 

One alternative you could go for is making those swords into objective markers.  Assuming you don't already have some.  You'll still have to file the hand off of the hilt, or you could take the extra hilts from the BGV box and just replace the hilt entirely.

[Master Sheol]

 

I just started collecting again for the first time since I was a kid, so for me the box is actually a nice set. I do have my issues with it though.

 

For one, I don't love the DA upgrade sprue. The pads are nice, but the upturned power sword is really limiting. I have a few of these sprues already, and I only plan on using that sword once. I feel like it cheapens the effect. So instead of having a nice fluffy option, I have a bunch of swords that are really hard to convert.

It’s definitely a missed opportunity. A simple “arm holding sword” in generic position would have gone a lot further. it’s a really nice sword too! With the bladeguard coming out though we can finally give every Sergeant one with ease

 

Yes... these swords are annoing to convert into better looking ones... lucky enough there is plenty of swords in other DA sprues so i take them from that sprues

But yes it's a wasted opportunity cause i have my bits box full of these swords i rarely usa (i made just one intercessors sergeant out of these)

[Isual]

For one, I don't love the DA upgrade sprue. The pads are nice, but the upturned power sword is really limiting. I have a few of these sprues already, and I only plan on using that sword once. I feel like it cheapens the effect. So instead of having a nice fluffy option, I have a bunch of swords that are really hard to convert.

 

It's especially sad as it replaced a hugely better deal.