Karhedron Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I am mulling over a new Wolf Lord for 9th. I am torn between a Lord on Thunderwolf and one on a bike. Loadout is likely to be TH/SS in either case and probably either the Armour of Russ or Pelt of the Balewolf if the AoR is already taken. The Thunderlord gets +1W and the TWolf's attacks. The Biker Lord is 10 points cheaper and has a faster move (14" base with a guaranteed 20" Advance) and the twin bolters on the bike. I can always take Saga of the Hunter if I really want to follow up a 20" move with the a charge. Right now I am leaning towards the mobility of the Biker being more useful than the extra wound. The ability to deliver his Aura wherever needed is a big incentive. It is just that Thunderwolves are more iconic. Which would you choose and why? TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I went biker lord. Guaranteed mobility means no bad dice ruin your plans Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5668410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) The huge base on the thunderlord is also a liability. He can never move through your own units, he always has to go around. Ps: consider a combi-melter instead of the shield. Bs3 melter after 20" advance is nothing to sneeze at Edited February 18, 2021 by Ragnar69 Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5668622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 To be fair, that might be an issue for me with a Biker Lord too. I would probably use an Outrider as the basis for the conversion simple as the model looks much cooler than the old 90s bikes. I did the same with a BA Captain and it turned out rather well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5668624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 But this base is 2" broad so it could technically move between 2 models of a unit in max coherency distance Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5668967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Thunderlord is arguably more futureproofed Plus the extra melee attacks are worth more I reckon, especially if youre advancing and charging Karhedron, Waking Dreamer and Torin 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5669663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Had a match today that really showed off the benefits of the bike lord and his superior range on turns 3-4-5 It is the Pod 4 SW v WS batrep in my murderfang saga I was basically zooming from objective to objective killing his survivors trying to hide and score points Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5669859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 The larger base is the real downside with the wolf mount. As was said, being blocked by your own troops (and/or terrain) can really make the best laid plans fizzle. Personally, I'm feeling the primaris chaplain on bike is our best HQ choice, and plan to run 2 of them if I ever get a chance to play. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5670274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 I have a bike Chaplain and plan to run him too but I wonder if 2 is starting to get into diminishing returns. Plus a Lord with a Hammer just hits a lot harder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5670282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I have a bike Chaplain and plan to run him too but I wonder if 2 is starting to get into diminishing returns. Plus a Lord with a Hammer just hits a lot harder. A smash chaplain with mantra of strength can do 3 damage with his Crozius and save points not having to buy a TH (AP is 1 less though) His reroll works for all hits (not just 1s) and buffs characters too He won't help shooters reroll but I could see it working Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5670290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnlikelyGamer84 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Depending on how heavy you lean into that primaris biker slaplain he can be more deadly then the lords. I outlined this in another thread but if he takes the benediction of fury and you give him saga of hunter and imperium sword. He moves advances and charges with rerolls to charge free. The benediction of fury plus imperium make him S7 -2 3dmg at 6 attacks on charge doing mortals in addition on 6s to wound. Add in the mantra of strength and he is S8 -2 4dmg 7 attacks. MOH spell buffs that further to S9 and 8attacks plus mortals in 6s. If you don’t care about advance and charge you could add in beastslayer or wolf kin instead for more attacks taking him to between 9-11plus mortals on 6s. Might be overkill but against things like knights or other big baddies not such a bad deal. Savage fury obviously ramps this up a little more. I like the slaplain over the lords in a straight up fight. Edited February 26, 2021 by TheUnlikelyGamer84 TiguriusX, Karhedron and Dark Shepherd 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5671661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I have a bike Chaplain and plan to run him too but I wonder if 2 is starting to get into diminishing returns. Plus a Lord with a Hammer just hits a lot harder. I don't think you'd see diminishing returns with 2 biker wolf priests. There are a lot of good relics and litanies available I would be somewhat concerned that they see a price hike because they show up in every marine list. That said if a tooled up wolf lord is going put a grin on your face you should go with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5671818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I have a bike Chaplain and plan to run him too but I wonder if 2 is starting to get into diminishing returns. Plus a Lord with a Hammer just hits a lot harder. I don't think you'd see diminishing returns with 2 biker wolf priests. There are a lot of good relics and litanies available I would be somewhat concerned that they see a price hike because they show up in every marine list. That said if a tooled up wolf lord is going put a grin on your face you should go with it. If you do one beatstick Priest and one buffing/durable priest then that would work Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5672039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) You could also have one WP focused on the ranged litany(ies), and another on the melee/charging ones. Give the ranged one Morkai Bolts, and the melee one Armor of Russ, and they can each focus on a different part of the board. Edited March 1, 2021 by Gherrick Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5672955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 These are great ideas coming in. Thanks guys, I am loving them. Do I really need a smash Lord? I don't tend to spam plasma so a bubble of rerolling 1s might not be essential. Perhaps the Priest buffs actually have more mileage and utilty. Thanks for the food for thought. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5672962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Ive been thinking about this a lot and if you compare a smashlord to a 2nd (melee orientated) Chaplain it gets real interesting Really depends on whether you want souped up offence with 2nd Priest or ultra durability or 50/50 with Smash lord Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5672975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) My old sons of fenris list had 2 bike smash lords and a primaris chaplain on bike I removed 1 smash lord and haven't noticed much of a drop off The chaplain and his reroll all melee hits basically serves the same role once the early game shooting is over and units get up close and personal This theory crafting has me curious if I can use 2 chaplains instead of a wolf lord and chaplain now...only 1 wise orator but I can imagine all kinds of silly combos Edited March 1, 2021 by TiguriusX Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5672991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) Hows this for a Bike Priest buffing machine Master of Sanctity Rites of War Saga of the Bear Vox Espiritum 9' aura for leadership, 2 litanies, 6++*, obsec on Core and Characters Vox works on Sagas but Majesty doesnt (I think) *If he loses a wound Edited March 7, 2021 by Dark Shepherd Bulwyf and TiguriusX 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369110-thunderlord-or-bikerlord/#findComment-5675410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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