Looking for a Chapter symbol

[Frater Cornelius]

Hail, brothers.

 

Seeing as I have no paints right now and I have pretty much finished building my little 1000pts RG project, it is time to crawl out of my hermitic solitude and get back to my Ultramarines.

 

Here are some samples. They aren't 100% finished. I may add some flavour adjustments, dpending on the decision at hand, and make some base goodness. I just want to convey the general idea, which is me utilizing my extensive collection of Sigmarine bits, and some fantasy bits.

 

The boys

Calgar

Chaplain front, Chaplain back

TM front, TM back

Victrix Guard

BVG sergeant/more Victrix Guard

 

Now, what I am wondering about is the heraldry. On the one hand, I really want to pay homage to what is probably my favourite Chapter, but then again, I also want something unique, and I wouldn't like to remove some of the more intricate UM details on the models (like Calgar's PF). The two options are thus either "alternative UM" (slightly different aesthetics and different colour scheme) or doing straight up a unique successor.

 

When it comes to successors, there are two ideas I kind of have latched on. One is the moniker "Eagles of the East", which does belong to the UM, but since I still have a lot of bird bits as well as Demigryphs/Gryph-hounds, I could go for something more avian-themed. The other is me liking the idea of worlds like Talassar. Mind you, I know that that particular world pays home to the Void Tridents, but I am sure there are other Ocean World within the 500. The lightning aethetics kind of fit in there, plus I am sure I still have an FW Merwyrm somewhere, which would make for an AMAZING chapter mascot. I mean, who doesn't like those little snugglies?

 

If I end up doing alternative UM, then the chapter symbol is set, it'll be the inverted omega. But if it is a successor, what would be a good way to handle that? I really suck at free-handing, and I do not have easy access to a 3D printer (the next accessible one is in the next country over)...

 

Let me know if you guys have some ideas or inspiration. Cheers

[Brother Tyler]

Repetition of Chapter icons across multiple Chapters isn't unknown:

• The Black Templars and Imperial Paladins both use a skull over a Maltese cross, each having the cross in a different color
• The Imperial Fists, Contenders, and Crimson Fists all use a clenched fist, each having the fist in a different color (though both the Crimson Fists and Contenders have a red fist)
• The Emperor's Warbringers, Guardians of the Covenant, and Blood Knights all use crossed swords as their icon, sometimes in different colors
• The Knights of Gryphonne and Howling Gryphons both use a rampant griffon as their icon, each using a black griffon
• The Raven Guard, Knights of the Raven, and Hawk Lords all use a similar bird symbol as their icon, each using a different color
• The Angels Redeemed and Dark Angels each use the downward pointing sword surrounded by wings, each having the icon in a different color
• The Black Consuls, White Consuls, Mentors, Emperor's Storm, and Raptors all use a raptor/hawk/eagle head as their icon, sometimes using different colors
• etc.

From that, it's not inconceivable that a Successor of the Ultramarines might use an agemo as their icon, too. As long as the total livery (armour color and icon color) differs from that of the Ultramarines Chapter, you can get away with it. For example, if you keep the agemo white, use something other than blue for the armour. Alternately, you can use some other color for the agemo, potentially keeping the armour blue. Or you can change the color of both the armour and the icon.

 

Another option is to add something to the agemo to differentiate it from that of the Ultramarines. Perhaps you could add a lightning bolt or other embellishment that might be painted on.

[XeonDragon]

Repetition of Chapter icons across multiple Chapters isn't unknown:

• The Black Templars and Imperial Paladins both use a skull over a Maltese cross, each having the cross in a different color
• The Imperial Fists, Contenders, and Crimson Fists all use a clenched fist, each having the fist in a different color (though both the Crimson Fists and Contenders have a red fist)
• The Emperor's Warbringers, Guardians of the Covenant, and Blood Knights all use crossed swords as their icon, sometimes in different colors
• The Knights of Gryphonne and Howling Gryphons both use a rampant griffon as their icon, each using a black griffon
• The Raven Guard, Knights of the Raven, and Hawk Lords all use a similar bird symbol as their icon, each using a different color
• The Angels Redeemed and Dark Angels each use the downward pointing sword surrounded by wings, each having the icon in a different color
• The Black Consuls, White Consuls, Mentors, Emperor's Storm, and Raptors all use a raptor/hawk/eagle head as their icon, sometimes using different colors
• etc.

From that, it's not inconceivable that a Successor of the Ultramarines might use an agemo as their icon, too. As long as the total livery (armour color and icon color) differs from that of the Ultramarines Chapter, you can get away with it. For example, if you keep the agemo white, use something other than blue for the armour. Alternately, you can use some other color for the agemo, potentially keeping the armour blue. Or you can change the color of both the armour and the icon.

 

Another option is to add something to the agemo to differentiate it from that of the Ultramarines. Perhaps you could add a lightning bolt or other embellishment that might be painted on.

 

 

Angels Eradicant and Fulminators both have angel wings with a lightning bolt. The Angels Eradicant are of unknown founding, the Fulminators are Ultramarine successors. So that could be another option. 

[Doghouse]

Another really good option is Chapter Customizer.

 

https://www.chaptercustomizer.com/collections/loyalist

 

Their transfers are great but you do have to cut closer to the images when cutting them out than GW ones. I've gotten loads of their sheets because they are really nice quality although you might want to use Micro Sol for the best results.

 

All the prints I have had from them have been really excellent. 

[Frater Cornelius]

@ Brother Tyler - Well, that is certainly a very convenient way to solve. Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that there are Chapter symbol repetition was a thing.

 

@ Doghouse - Oh... oh no... You just opened Pandora's box for me. Given my massive indecisiveness, this will not end well :D

[Doghouse]

Sorry mate :D

 

I'm the same which is why I end up buying tons of their stuff. :D

 

The do custom stuff made to order as well but I've never looked into that.

[Frater Cornelius]

@ Doghouse - The one big thing holding me back are the frankly INSANE customs fees where I currently live, plus the time required to actually send it across the pond.