Astartes Consul Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Added the Arlatax, Kratos, Caestus and mention of Rhino variants to the list. Any more on the Caestus? Rhino variants from FW? Or plastic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 What are the variants for Rhino? Like the Damocles? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Any more on the Caestus? Rhino variants from FW? Or plastic? Caestus is "has been planned for a while, but low priority" from what I understand. Soon™, basically. Rhino is the likes of the Predator, Vindicator and so forth. Options on top of the core plastic Deimos Rhino. Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Any more on the Caestus? Rhino variants from FW? Or plastic? Caestus is "has been planned for a while, but low priority" from what I understand. Soon™, basically. Rhino is the likes of the Predator, Vindicator and so forth. Options on top of the core plastic Deimos Rhino. Lovely, thanks. Caestus did go 'Out of Stock' due to issues with the mould IIRC so would be great to have it back Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Speaking as someone with no design experience whatsoever, the Caestus doesn't look like a particularly difficult kit to engineer in plastic to me. Two stormfangs with a bit of a middle section. Certainly not as complicated as, say, a Stompa, Baneblade, or Lord of Skulls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Exemplary Battles - Breaking the Perfect Fortress has been released with rules for Raven Guard Deliverers (Terminators). Also a confirmation that all EB rules will be updated for HH2E. painting.for.my.sanity, WrathOfTheLion, Loquille and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shovellovin Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Can the Deliverers squad by comprised of 15 terminators? I'm new to 30K. Can terminator units normally have 15 terminators or is this something special? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Something special, probably to help compensate for only being able to take a single squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Simply lovely - and another correct guess for what units each Legion would get Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I quite like their rules, infravisors seem redundent as most ignore night fighting rules but the teleport transponders are a nice option which is restricted to two Legions(IF and NL right?) and I really like their fluff. Guess when Mk2 comes to plastic I'll look into starting a Terran 19th force.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) I quite like their rules, infravisors seem redundent as most ignore night fighting rules but the teleport transponders are a nice option which is restricted to two Legions(IF and NL right?) and I really like their fluff. Guess when Mk2 comes to plastic I'll look into starting a Terran 19th force.... Choosing to ignore a game mechanic that is included in all their missions doesn't make wargear that addresses it redundant. More generally, rules are solid, still a bit niche (not a bad thing) and suffer from Raven guard syndrome; asking the controlling player to make the best use of corax' positioning. Most complaints I see about Corax stem from...not doing that. I guess tossing them up 18" to be the closest unit is extremely thematic; Corax has definitely thought about suicide bombing his own men in out of spite, like the raptors at Yarrant. Edited April 12, 2022 by SkimaskMohawk WrathOfTheLion 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5814992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 That the units were written for the new edition and backported explains some of the oddities here or there. It does address some of the concerns brought up earlier in a good way, though. Nice to see none of these things are going to just get removed. Astartes Consul and stretch_135 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I quite like their rules, infravisors seem redundent as most ignore night fighting rules but the teleport transponders are a nice option which is restricted to two Legions(IF and NL right?) and I really like their fluff. Guess when Mk2 comes to plastic I'll look into starting a Terran 19th force.... Choosing to ignore a game mechanic that is included in all their missions doesn't make wargear that addresses it redundant. More generally, rules are solid, still a bit niche (not a bad thing) and suffer from Raven guard syndrome; asking the controlling player to make the best use of corax' positioning. Most complaints I see about Corax stem from...not doing that. I guess tossing them up 18" to be the closest unit is extremely thematic; Corax has definitely thought about suicide bombing his own men in out of spite, like the raptors at Yarrant. not to mention infravisors also confer +1 BS now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 Any more on the Caestus? Rhino variants from FW? Or plastic? Caestus is "has been planned for a while, but low priority" from what I understand. Soon™, basically. Rhino is the likes of the Predator, Vindicator and so forth. Options on top of the core plastic Deimos Rhino. I hope the Caestus comes back as it's such a "metal" way of delivering some Space Marines. And I don't think enough people are lucky enough to own one (I am though. :) ) Noserenda and Astartes Consul 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 New Caestus would be cool, though im hoping it will be toned down a bit rules wise :D Really good news to see the Exemplary battles stuff getting updated, hopefully quickly, in the new edition. Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 New Caestus would be cool, though im hoping it will be toned down a bit rules wise Really good news to see the Exemplary battles stuff getting updated, hopefully quickly, in the new edition. Well if they were written for the new edition and revised to be backwards compatible like the article says then there isn't much to stop them being released on launch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I quite like their rules, infravisors seem redundent as most ignore night fighting rules but the teleport transponders are a nice option which is restricted to two Legions(IF and NL right?) and I really like their fluff. Guess when Mk2 comes to plastic I'll look into starting a Terran 19th force.... Choosing to ignore a game mechanic that is included in all their missions doesn't make wargear that addresses it redundant. More generally, rules are solid, still a bit niche (not a bad thing) and suffer from Raven guard syndrome; asking the controlling player to make the best use of corax' positioning. Most complaints I see about Corax stem from...not doing that. I guess tossing them up 18" to be the closest unit is extremely thematic; Corax has definitely thought about suicide bombing his own men in out of spite, like the raptors at Yarrant. not to mention infravisors also confer +1 BS now but only to the model with the infravisor Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I quite like their rules, infravisors seem redundent as most ignore night fighting rules but the teleport transponders are a nice option which is restricted to two Legions(IF and NL right?) and I really like their fluff. Guess when Mk2 comes to plastic I'll look into starting a Terran 19th force.... Choosing to ignore a game mechanic that is included in all their missions doesn't make wargear that addresses it redundant. More generally, rules are solid, still a bit niche (not a bad thing) and suffer from Raven guard syndrome; asking the controlling player to make the best use of corax' positioning. Most complaints I see about Corax stem from...not doing that. I guess tossing them up 18" to be the closest unit is extremely thematic; Corax has definitely thought about suicide bombing his own men in out of spite, like the raptors at Yarrant. not to mention infravisors also confer +1 BS now but only to the model with the infravisor Which the whole unit has? Iron Hands Fanatic 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 New Caestus would be cool, though im hoping it will be toned down a bit rules wise Really good news to see the Exemplary battles stuff getting updated, hopefully quickly, in the new edition. Well if they were written for the new edition and revised to be backwards compatible like the article says then there isn't much to stop them being released on launch? I mean at this point we are pretty certain they finished the new edition pretty much a year ago but ill bet they dont release rules for everything in one go unfortunately :/ mooftak 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I quite like their rules, infravisors seem redundent as most ignore night fighting rules but the teleport transponders are a nice option which is restricted to two Legions(IF and NL right?) and I really like their fluff. Guess when Mk2 comes to plastic I'll look into starting a Terran 19th force.... Choosing to ignore a game mechanic that is included in all their missions doesn't make wargear that addresses it redundant. More generally, rules are solid, still a bit niche (not a bad thing) and suffer from Raven guard syndrome; asking the controlling player to make the best use of corax' positioning. Most complaints I see about Corax stem from...not doing that. I guess tossing them up 18" to be the closest unit is extremely thematic; Corax has definitely thought about suicide bombing his own men in out of spite, like the raptors at Yarrant. not to mention infravisors also confer +1 BS now but only to the model with the infravisor Which the whole unit has? Sure, but they don't confer +1 BS to the whole unit. We already had a person make this mistake with the playtest rules in our group so I just want to call this part out. Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris R Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Quick question for those in the know: did Specialist also write the rules for Dominion and Fafnir with second edition in mind and then port then to 1.0? Would be curious to see if that’s the case given what we learned today about the supplements’ units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Almost certainly would make sense if so, especially in the case of Dominion Zephon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman101 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Quick question for those in the know: did Specialist also write the rules for Dominion and Fafnir with second edition in mind and then port then to 1.0? Would be curious to see if that’s the case given what we learned today about the supplements’ units. Also curious about this. Especially in regards to who Zeph can have as a retinue Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Yes because in the P3 docs, Fafnir Rann is basically unchanged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 From looking at the 2nd ed playtest, they very much were ported back to 1st. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/139/#findComment-5815132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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