Astartes Consul Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Anyone with a better memory of the Phase 1 Traitor stuff want to work out how difference these rules are? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Salamanders and Iron Hands are out in the wild Don't suppose you could point me in the right direction, or PM the info? Its the Salamanders stuff I'm eager to see Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 That Thousans Sons unique reaction is hilarious! I love it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternus Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) IF phalanx warder special rules and Stone Gauntlet Row Edited May 26, 2022 by Aeternus Loquille 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 That Thousans Sons unique reaction is hilarious! I love it. Unsure if it’s broken or just very funny. Or both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 That Thousans Sons unique reaction is hilarious! I love it. Unsure if it’s broken or just very funny. Or both. Both. Definitely both Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Thousand Sons painting vid is up I like this one - seems good for batch painting too Petitioner's City, BitsHammer and WrathOfTheLion 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Anyone with a better memory of the Phase 1 Traitor stuff want to work out how difference these rules are? Having only seen the thousand sons stuff that was posted here: -the minor arcana used to cost 15 points, now its free -the psychic discipline used to cost 20 points for ICs, now it's 15 -Pavoni now additionally ignores difficult -Raptora is now capped at 4+ invul, instead of 3+ -corvidae now lets you choose the first model to be allocated to, instead of precision strikes and shots 5+ -athanean now subtracts leadership from an enemy unit for shooting, instead of granting your unit leadership -Pyrae now gives your unit hammer of wrath (2) that count as flame, instead of a bonus of strength to all flame and melta, bonus strength to units profile, and hammer of wrath (1) -aether fire went from STR 5 with force (boost up to STR 10) to STR 6 with achaen force (boost up to STR 8) -achaen force exists as a way to prevent tons of double strength things from happening. Looks like a mixed bag tbh. Astartes Consul 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Salamanders and Iron Hands are out in the wild Don't suppose you could point me in the right direction, or PM the info? Its the Salamanders stuff I'm eager to see In particular whether the characters are definitely gone Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 That Thousans Sons unique reaction is hilarious! I love it. Unsure if it’s broken or just very funny. Or both. Both. Definitely both it's once per game... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astartes Consul Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 That Thousans Sons unique reaction is hilarious! I love it.Unsure if it’s broken or just very funny. Or both. Both. Definitely both it's once per game... Okay well then it’s just funny and creative then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I'll be getting the box and will be painting half the force as Iron Hands and the other half as Sons of Horus. I'd like to run intro games using the models in there but I'm not sure what the best split would be to make an even game as the Spartan and Dread definitely aren't in the same ball park for output, I'm thinking: Iron Hands: Praetor 20 Marines 5 Terminators Contemptor SoH: Praetor 20 Marines 5 Terminators Spartan Stacking 10 Terminators on one side doesn't seem particularly fair as they seem to be very tough. I'm not too sure so would appreciate input Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stix Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Salamanders and Iron Hands are out in the wild Any pics/links for IH stuff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LameBeard Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I'll be getting the box and will be painting half the force as Iron Hands and the other half as Sons of Horus. I'd like to run intro games using the models in there but I'm not sure what the best split would be to make an even game as the Spartan and Dread definitely aren't in the same ball park for output, I'm thinking: Iron Hands: Praetor 20 Marines 5 Terminators Contemptor SoH: Praetor 20 Marines 5 Terminators Spartan Stacking 10 Terminators on one side doesn't seem particularly fair as they seem to be very tough. I'm not too sure so would appreciate input As beautiful as it is, I don’t think that Spartan is going to go in introductory games - it’s too many eggs in one tough basket. I suggest 5 terminators one side, contemptor the other, and leave 5 terminators and Spartan off the table to begin with. I guess the booklet in the box will have some other ideas. TrawlingCleaner, Noserenda and WrathOfTheLion 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternus Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Salamanders and Iron Hands are out in the wild Any pics/links for IH stuff? Link for the IH stuff - https://imgur.com/a/ie6eLJZ Immortals page since that seems to be missing Petitioner's City, Stix, TrawlingCleaner and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) Summary of Valrak's prices: June 4 preorder/June 18 release Wave 1 Box £180/225 euros/$300 Liber books £40/55 euros/$65? Kratos £ /100 euros/$135-150? ---- Less than a Baneblade Rhino. 37 euros Map. 22 euros Transfer sheets on GW site All primarchs for preorder on GW site then (temporarily) Wave 2 Rulebook MK III box 62.50 Euros MK IV box 62.50 Euros MK VI box 62.50 Euros/$80 (used AoS prosecutors as baseline) Ahriman. 24 euros Geigor. 24 euros Terminators 67.50 euros/85 Dollars? (Start Collecting! Stormcast for AoS, Gladiator tank for 40k) Dice (from FW) 32.50 euros Their website was having trouble for a bit, so I stopped doing conversions as I was working and only did it for the ones I was most interested in. Edit: And as he mentioned in N&R of course, take it all with a pinch of salt. There's certainly some interesting prices there, the Terminators are a bit funny in 10 man boxes after their most recent significant pricing. Further edit: Don't know what wave 2 means btw besides that it's another grouping. Could mean July, could just mean two weeks later. They usually like to split it up so that you get another paycheck basically between some of it. Also, current Rhino/Razorback is 40 euros I think, so the Deimos one is somewhere between an Invader ATV and the Razorback kit in price if these numbers aren't false. Edited May 26, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Petitioner's City, Bradeh, Cyrox and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I'll be getting the box and will be painting half the force as Iron Hands and the other half as Sons of Horus. I'd like to run intro games using the models in there but I'm not sure what the best split would be to make an even game as the Spartan and Dread definitely aren't in the same ball park for output, I'm thinking: Iron Hands: Praetor 20 Marines 5 Terminators Contemptor SoH: Praetor 20 Marines 5 Terminators Spartan Stacking 10 Terminators on one side doesn't seem particularly fair as they seem to be very tough. I'm not too sure so would appreciate input As beautiful as it is, I don’t think that Spartan is going to go in introductory games - it’s too many eggs in one tough basket. I suggest 5 terminators one side, contemptor the other, and leave 5 terminators and Spartan off the table to begin with. I guess the booklet in the box will have some other ideas. I thought that might be the case, as you say it's definitely a bit overbearing in starting games! LameBeard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman101 Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 SALAMANDERS IMGUR:https://imgur.com/a/rOTjbG2 Mods- feel free to take down if this doesn't align with the rules Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Nah, its fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 So immortals gained heart of the legion when used in their RoW....they are really going to be immortal. Also volkite charger cost dropped back to 2pts, image quality is low res but looks as though they have 2 attacks base now as well. Awesome. Cadmus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 That was in the leaks. Their cost came down as did the chargers, making them less overpriced. Gorgons, however, picked up stubborn, and are especially solid. IF phalanx warder special rules and Stone Gauntlet Row Immortals and Breachers not getting melta bombs is such a major oversight imo Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 That was in the leaks. Their cost came down as did the chargers, making them less overpriced. Gorgons, however, picked up stubborn, and are especially solid. IF phalanx warder special rules and Stone Gauntlet Row Immortals and Breachers not getting melta bombs is such a major oversight imo breachers get breacher charges though, whatever that is, and the sarge gets meltabombs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 It's for buildings, and presumably zone mortalis when those rules get updated. Not useful at all for vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 It's for buildings, and presumably zone mortalis when those rules get updated. Not useful at all for vehicles. ah no ZM in base? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Nope. We'll get it in time, heavily implied at the weekend event Spagunk 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/180/#findComment-5832465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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