Excessus Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I'm very much in favor of streamlining the rules (á lá 8th/9th), but I'm also a strong believer of keeping the flavour associated with the HH game (templates, armour values). Changing the weapon profiles to be more flexible could possibly remove a whole bunch of special rules indeed. Necromunda and 2nd ed could be inspirations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 The thing is that the only guys playing in my area are people who chase the meta. This means they do everything GW recommends. ;-) Tell them the game is made by Forgeworld and not GW and Forgeworld says that you can play on any tablesize whatever the :cuss you want to play on.Man, I really don't understand those people. What happened to common sense? If I have only 20 models per side it may be to much to play on a 4X6 table. ;) The first 10 years or so of gaming we played on a table which had the measurements of the station wagon from my dad, because that was the vehicle which had to transport that board. And guess what? Our door didn't get kicked in by tabletop police. But I guess those kind of players get nervous when they have to decide how to play by themselves. We have a lot of those players in our gaming club. No imagination of their own whatsoever. I feel sorry for you that that is the group you have to deal with. Yeah, I know. It is sad to hear when they tell me something like this: "All the competetive folks do it like that so that is the way it is meant to be played." :-/ MCC 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCC Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 In terms of chasing the meta in Heresy, does that even happen given the cost of the forgeworld models? cant see anyone changing legions one week to the next when you're shelling out £100 for a tank. Plus the people i've encountered are way more into the hobby/theme side of the hobby so don't want to be switching every months or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Your right, I should have made it clear that they are chasing the 40k meta. Their interest in HH is fairly limited. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Yeah huge amounts of rules in 7th are doing desperate work to avoid using the simplest answer for various reasons, Just having a movement stat would probably shave a dozen pages off the rulebook for example, a Damage stat on weapons (And adjusting wound stats appropriately) would cut the awkward instant death/eternal warrior interactions etc etc. Hooj, Excessus, GorgeousGoat and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 For anyone interested, I've been told the new rules are a "tidied up" version of the rules Heresy is currently using. It's not been remade using ninth edition rules. Could you elaborate a bit? Is it just a tidied up ruleset to stand alone for the box set, or is it a broad and sweeping rules change for the whole heresy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Your right, I should have made it clear that they are chasing the 40k meta. Their interest in HH is fairly limited. I'm sorry to hear that. From where in Germany are you? Maybe I know one, or two players in your area. Yeah huge amounts of rules in 7th are doing desperate work to avoid using the simplest answer for various reasons, Just having a movement stat would probably shave a dozen pages off the rulebook for example, a Damage stat on weapons (And adjusting wound stats appropriately) would cut the awkward instant death/eternal warrior interactions etc etc. Oh yes, that. Movement would be neat and so would be removing eternal warrior and instant death. I grew up (so to speak) in tabletop with second edition which means a Assault cannon makes D10 wounds per shot and could do up to 9. A Carnifex had T8 and 10 wounds. What a monster. Space Marine leaders hat T5! Those where the days of great adventure. *heavy drums start playing* Brother Sutek 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Personally I prefer wounds over damage. It keeps the record keeping lower and I can't stand the idea of tracking dozens of wounds across a bunch of models. Not to mention memorizing new stat lines for every single weapon. SkimaskMohawk and Spagunk 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Where are the two of you from in germany? I am in the North (Hamburg). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Wörlitz ;-) With the first reveals from GenCon yesterday I still hope that we will see something heresy related. May be in form of teaser at the end of the event. Chaoself 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Hearing anything would be nice. On the other hand I am getting the next batch of lunar auxilia infantry printed by a friend so I got stuff to paint anyways... And I want to do 10 tartaros to go woth my new praetor. Maybe build 5 huscarls additionally.And Inthought I was done with imperial fists infantry ^^ I dont know any 30k people in the east, sorry. Edited September 17, 2021 by Marshal Vespasian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Where are the two of you from in germany? I am in the North (Hamburg). Osnabrooklyn. We're doing an event in November. Unfortunately it is on a sunday but at least one is coming from hamburg to us. Wörlitz ;-) With the first reveals from GenCon yesterday I still hope that we will see something heresy related. May be in form of teaser at the end of the event. Wörlitz... that's too far but I guess there are some HH players there. Chaoself 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Oh I think I saw that on t3 that possible? Give a shout when you plan something next its not that much of a drive from hamburg. I think flixtrain even stops there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Oh I think I saw that on t3 that possible? Give a shout when you plan something next its not that much of a drive from hamburg. I think flixtrain even stops there. Heftige Hersy in Osnabrück yes. I have high hopes that we get a saturday next year so that it becomes more attractive for people from outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I'd love to see any updated core ruleset include 1. ZM 2. Normal 2000-4000pt games 3. a format that better accounts for larger games without going into a whole other ruleset like Apocalypse. Part of what makes Heresy fun is pulling out all the big toys, but having to keep yet another ruleset in mind (let alone finding the books that work with the HH rules) is a whole other matter. I like this idea a lot. Sadly I cant see it happening GW are obsessed with the open, narrative and matched play format so I can see them going with that instead. They’ve paired that with three ranges of point plays in both 40k and AoS. If I recall correctly the differences ate that normal is 1500-2000, small is 750-1250, and large is anything more than 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Oh I think I saw that on t3 that possible? Give a shout when you plan something next its not that much of a drive from hamburg. I think flixtrain even stops there. Heftige Hersy in Osnabrück yes.I have high hopes that we get a saturday next year so that it becomes more attractive for people from outside. Thatd be pretty cool. 27th of november is Rückeroberung von Dunkeld in Hamburg and I am propably playing 40k with some friends in november too so I cant make any more tabletop Events but I'd like to do some more heresy events next year. The guys from galaktischer beobachter will do something in early summer as well. Thats bavaria though. Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 HH is still being played on 48 x 72 tables, right? Ackchully the best Heresy experience is a 8x12 table at 2500 points with at least 5000 dollars worth of official GW terrain. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 One of the bigger 30k games Ive played was on a U shape made of 3 standard tables with loyalists starting at the _ part of the U and the Traitors basically D-Daying it. I think it was a 5k Per-Player game with like 5-6 players each side. Doctor Perils and Hungry Nostraman Lizard 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 That sounds like a ton of fun! I just ordered the 2 UM Praetors as the terminator one was available again. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 It was pretty sick; even had a ZM side board for the interior of the Warlord titan we had to fight for control over. Corswain, LameBeard, Chaeron and 8 others 11 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 It was pretty sick; even had a ZM side board for the interior of the Warlord titan we had to fight for control over. That looks really awesome. And having a seperate board for a small side battle. Man I would love to play games like that! :) Thx for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 That looks like it would be a load of fun, I'm glad you shared it with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry Nostraman Lizard Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Duuuude that's a sick game, slips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 I’m super jealous Slips: that looks incredible! I have to say, I love those big games where you’ve got tonnes per side and you’re basically still fighting your small battle in context... between that and narrative campaigns, it’s just so fun. Just makes me want to play :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) It took us one and a half days to play through, was worth it! Edited September 19, 2021 by Slips Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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