Salty Beard Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) What unit(s) are you finding the best hitting hard for their cost? Or a must in your army? and why? Edited March 30, 2021 by Salty Beard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Long Fangs with multi-meltas seems to be punching above their weight. We can take 5 in a squad rather than the normal limit of 4 for Devastators. We also have access to Keen Senses meaning that we can put them in a Drop Pod or Reserves and still fire at full accuracy on the turn we come in. For an extra CP, we can give the Pack Leader Morkai Bolts to allow rerolled 1s. Anything less than a LOW will be nuked by that sort of firepower and even Knights or Primarchs are likely to end up bracketed. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Wolfguard. Jump packs, lightning claws and storm shields. It's not original but they're fast, tough to kill and hit like a sack of wolf shaped bricks. I'd say Bladeguard as well but when I can actually get a game it tends to be against Death Guard and the -1 damage hurts them. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 At the moment I'd probably go with the primaris wolf priest on a bike and/or rune priests. Both are just really good options the wolf priest gets you into the fight while being pretty nasty on it's own. The rune priest is more of a toolbox unit that has just always been useful for me. Murderous hurricane is probably the power I take the most because forcing things to go last just helps out a ton vs. other CC armies. Next tier down would be dreads who are fantastic this edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Redemptor Dreadnoughts. They are pretty good for all Chapters but our +1 to-Hit in the first round of combat really helps get the mileage out of their melee potential. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverShire Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I really rate wolf guard in terminator amour. I load them up with 5x combi-plas, 4x storm shield, 1xThunder hammer and a cyclone missile launcher, and these guys score me a load of VP if they can land on an objective or I place them I a way that means the oppo has to deal with them. Yes a power fist would be more cost efficient but I think thunder hammers are so much cooler and rule of cool plays a part in how I like to play, sorry not sorry TiguriusX, Karhedron and Konnavaer 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Yes a power fist would be more cost efficient but I think thunder hammers are so much cooler and rule of cool plays a part in how I like to play, sorry not sorry Given the number of units with a -1 Damage rule seems to be growing, I think the extra points on the Hammer may be a good investment. Plus it allows you to insta-kill Plague Marines, other Terminators, bikers, heavy Intercessors etc. If you are tooling up a squad, Fists make sense. If you are tooling up just one model, a few extra points on the Hammer seem like a good idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Yeah I like hammers alot this edition. I also was running them initially for rule of cool reasons, they just look better than fists on primaris models. That said Karhedron's point about plague marines is spot on, and they're also good against termies/bladeguard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 How do we get GH's, BC's and IC's into this area of the bang for buck list section? I find I am stuck with the mindset that 10 mans are good, and yet until the morale issue of SM's fleeing is resolved it's wasted points no matter what. 2 x 5 seems as bit better, just not ideal as well as the fact that having 2 PG's per 10 man is fine, it's like having 4 PG's for two 5 man's, ya just gotta up the bodies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Could just be playstyle, but I get more out of blood claws than grey hunters. I've found BC packs to be really effective. They just chew things up when they get in melee and are relatively inexpensive. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 How do we get GH's, BC's and IC's into this area of the bang for buck list section? I find I am stuck with the mindset that 10 mans are good, and yet until the morale issue of SM's fleeing is resolved it's wasted points no matter what. 2 x 5 seems as bit better, just not ideal as well as the fact that having 2 PG's per 10 man is fine, it's like having 4 PG's for two 5 man's, ya just gotta up the bodies. I really think it's going to be tough to get them there. The current mission pack is really pushed towards holding the middle objectives for complete battle rounds. Troops are going to have a hard time with that compared to termies, dreads, and bladeguard. Our troops are still useful but they're more for holding our deployment objectives and preventing our opponents from scoring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 How do we get GH's, BC's and IC's into this area of the bang for buck list section? I find I am stuck with the mindset that 10 mans are good, and yet until the morale issue of SM's fleeing is resolved it's wasted points no matter what. 2 x 5 seems as bit better, just not ideal as well as the fact that having 2 PG's per 10 man is fine, it's like having 4 PG's for two 5 man's, ya just gotta up the bodies. I really think it's going to be tough to get them there. The current mission pack is really pushed towards holding the middle objectives for complete battle rounds. Troops are going to have a hard time with that compared to termies, dreads, and bladeguard. Our troops are still useful but they're more for holding our deployment objectives and preventing our opponents from scoring. Troops have 1 advantage when pushing forward...OBSEC. If you ignore troops you risk losing objectives to them. I have set up hard choices for my opponent based purely on obsec being a factor. Earlier this week I charged a SW smash captain with armor of russ who had 3 wounds left. He had charged my bike chaplain the prior turn and failed to kill him...chaplain still needed rescuing though so I had to go in. I sent in a 5 man WG (LC/SS) and 3 BCs who happened to be in the area. He used armor of russ on WG and killed the BCs before I killed him. Why did he kill the BCs? It wasn't a mistake. The player was not a scrub...it was the T5S2 season 2 champion I have promoted here previously. We were playing vital intel and this combat was happening between the far left objectives. I held 1 (bc chaplain survived) and he held 1. If my BC survived I easily consolidate onto his objective and steal it. That is 1 way BC can be used aggressively in combination with your elite units.. If your opponent kills the BC then odds are he left your elite combat units alive and you can make him pay. If he ignores the BCs then you play the mission and snag objectives from him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Yeah I should have stated that they can put pressure on other objectives as well. I do think our troops are good I'm just not sure if they fit the criteria of the OP. They aren't particularly hard hitting for their points, and I'm not sure if they're a must take. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Yeah I should have stated that they can put pressure on other objectives as well. I do think our troops are good I'm just not sure if they fit the criteria of the OP. They aren't particularly hard hitting for their points, and I'm not sure if they're a must take. In games where my elite get killed off it ends up being BCs in assault doctrine having to shoulder the load. For 90 points they have the potential to hit real hard. I have taken down custodes with BC and savage strike multiple times. I'd say there are in the good not great value category Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5684997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander_Moustache Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Drop pods. Makes the triple melta GH or the BC pack a nasty first turn payload of pain Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5685059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 BCs or assault intercessors with assault doctrine and maybe savage strike can dish out amazing damage. And they lose nothing when facing abilities like transhuman or -1 dmg TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5685070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Beard Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 Thank you all for the input!!! This is most helpful. I’m try to put my army together with the troops I have and looking to see what I should round off my list. Keep the knowledge coming!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5685107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Used a unit of 3 Eradicators for the first time yesterday and they one shotted a Plagueburst Crawler, I see why people complain about them! It wasn't even a particularly hot roll. For a bit of ranged support they certainly give you bang for your buck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5685171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 When able, I try to keep a Dreadnought Babysitter near every single GH pack I tool up. Would that be helpful? I can't truly decide between AC/PC w/ DCCW & SB or Fen GA / Blizzard Shield as the best ones to keep right next to them. The idea of the AC/PC Dread is to be ranged firepower and heavy hitting melee. The FGA/BS Ven is for melee and SS protection. Before 9th, I could only pair the SS with the Axe. Now that it looks like in 9th I can pair the BS with AC/PC and whichever I feel is more useful, I'm glad I can, as it's pretty solid to me to use a PC/BS Dread as a GH babysitter to camp on each objective, if just to make it that much harder to shift OBSEC rated objective holding units from their place, as a Dread on guard duty seems a nice way to say, "Hey, you want this?" and make sure that if anything is going that way I can then intercept the enemy with other elements or if something slips past, the other GH's and Dreads can fire support. Barring that, LF's and other long range fire support start to back up that objective group. Still is a bit expensive, however cheap Troops guards aren't really that common, so... anyone got some better ideas? 2 x 5 GH packs and a Dread on one objective seems a lot of points not well spent unless one GH pack can safely peel off. My SW packs are sadly set at 10 by paint and total, the Morale phase sure has started to kick SM's in the teeth in 8th and 9th sadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5685366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamulot Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Bladeguard vets are really damn good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5685379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 (edited) I think the must have SW unit is currently WG with jump packs LC/SS or LC/LC is the loadout Buckets of dice and rerolling wounds Good mobility as well Had my first trial run with the successor double exploding 6 list last night 5 wolf guard with wulfen stone and reroll all hits from a nearby chaplain while in assault doctrine absolutely obliterated 5 transhumaned BGV 21 attacks ended as 37 or so hits Those hits ended up as 30 wounds (4s rerolling thanks to LC and getting lucky) After his 4++ saves there were 16 wounds...so even a CP reroll wouldn't matter. I am hunting ebay for jump pack bits now...need more WG! Edited April 2, 2021 by TiguriusX Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5685505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I think the must have SW unit is currently WG with jump packs LC/SS or LC/LC is the loadout I have a squad on my todo list. I am planning 4xLC/SS and TH/SS on the pack leader for the occasions when I need to tangle with bigger targets. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369755-unit-bang-for-the-buck/#findComment-5685539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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