IVth Legion Heraldry Question

[jaxom]

I'm rereading HH: Extermination and it mentions that "The Legion took from the 8th Expeditionary Fleet the emblem of the Winged Bolt as its first heraldic device," and there's a Sol Unification-era marine on p. 120 with only part of an icon shown. Does anyone have more information or resources on either of these?

[Doctor Perils]

Bump - I'm also interested in any answers to this question :)

[Dagoth Ur]

Its that circular emblem on their transfer sheet. Looks like a ring that feathers out into wings and has a IV in its middle. Edited May 14, 2021 by The Observer

[jaxom]

Its that circular emblem on their transfer sheet. Looks like a ring that feathers out into wings and has a IV in its middle.

 

Thank you! I didn't even think to check if FW had a sheet for them. I noticed there were a ton of templar crosses too....

[Dagoth Ur]

 

Its that circular emblem on their transfer sheet. Looks like a ring that feathers out into wings and has a IV in its middle.

 

Thank you! I didn't even think to check if FW had a sheet for them. I noticed there were a ton of templar crosses too....

 

Ah but you'd be mistaken! Those are actually Principia Bellicosa emblems that denote elite units :)

[MegaVolt87]

 

 

Its that circular emblem on their transfer sheet. Looks like a ring that feathers out into wings and has a IV in its middle.

 

Thank you! I didn't even think to check if FW had a sheet for them. I noticed there were a ton of templar crosses too....

 

Ah but you'd be mistaken! Those are actually Principia Bellicosa emblems that denote elite units

 

 

Are you sure? I haven't seen that symbol repeated on other legion transfer sheets from memory. I always thought it was their legion symbol pre Perty. Well, if its not, its perfect for loyalist elements/ old farts in the legion in my mind anyway. Extermination p105, has reference to a numbers swell from diverted 3rd legion recruits, so I always thought the symbol being a stylized aquilla looking was the reason. 

[Lucien Eilam]

Are you sure? I haven't seen that symbol repeated on other legion transfer sheets from memory. I always thought it was their legion symbol pre Perty. Well, if its not, its perfect for loyalist elements/ old farts in the legion in my mind anyway. Extermination p105, has reference to a numbers swell from diverted 3rd legion recruits, so I always thought the symbol being a stylized aquilla looking was the reason. 

 

I think he meant that the crosses aren’t “Templar”. The Templar cross used by the Imperial Fists is a Maltese cross.

 

The crosses on the Iron Warriors sheet are a version of the standard cross pattée Principia Bellicosa icon for elite/veteran units, as also seen marking the Elites slot on every force organisation chart since 3rd edition. A lot of legions had other ways of denoting veterans, but I think it (or a variation of it) is on the World Eaters, Death Guard, Salamanders and Raven Guard sheets at least.

 

But I don’t think those Aquila frames are the pre-Perturabo Winged Bolt icon the text refers to either. It is “winged”, but there’s no “bolt”, and Perturabo supposedly completely replaced their old organisation and heraldry when he was reunited with the legion.

 

So, I don’t think it’s ever been shown. I’d suggest taking inspiration from the Dark Angels’ winged swords and the Blood Angels’ winged blood drops. White Scars iconography also includes some actual “winged bolt” icons, so maybe avoid anything too similar to those. Maybe something like the single-winged Ravenwing icon with a thunderbolt replacing the sword.

Edited May 17, 2021 by Lucien Eilam

[Doctor Perils]

So, could we be looking at something like the badges of the Rainbow Warriors or the Marines Malevolent? I could live with that, they could make a pretty good looking mark for Fast Attack style units :)

[Lucien Eilam]

Using the Marines Malevolent icon might be fun actually. Unknown Founding/progenitor, earliest records dating to at least M32, known for callous brutality, disregard of civilian casualties, and covering things in hazard stripes…

 

The Imperium could have been full of tiny Iron Warriors garrisons that were entirely bypassed by the Heresy, after all.

Edited May 17, 2021 by Lucien Eilam

[Doctor Perils]

Using the Marines Malevolent icon might be fun actually. Unknown Founding/progenitor, earliest records dating to at least M32, known for callous brutality, disregard of civilian casualties, and covering things in hazard stripes…

 

The Imperium could have been full of tiny Iron Warriors garrisons that were entirely bypassed by the Heresy, after all.

Yup, was just reading up on them in Lexicanum, my new headcanon is that MM are IW successors