Mechanized Recon Platoon idea

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Just because it seems fluffy and thematic. Not sure how well it would actually work out.

x1 Leman Russ Exterminator

x2-4 Tauroxes w/ACs toting infantry

x1 T Prime w/ gat cannon toting at least a lord commissar

 

A lot of dakka, and the Russ can still be fitted out to provide fire support against heavy armor.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Inso]

My mechanised platoons are 3x Chimera (2x infantry squad and 1x Heavy Weapon Squad) and 1x Taurox with twin Auto Cannon. With what the Chimeras bring and what the Taurox brings... along with the heavy weapons squad, I don't feel that a Leman Russ is necessary... I reckon your list would work just as well without the Leman Russ as well... and would be more thematic as a result :) .

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

My mechanised platoons are 3x Chimera (2x infantry squad and 1x Heavy Weapon Squad) and 1x Taurox with twin Auto Cannon. With what the Chimeras bring and what the Taurox brings... along with the heavy weapons squad, I don't feel that a Leman Russ is necessary... I reckon your list would work just as well without the Leman Russ as well... and would be more thematic as a result :) .

The exterminator is referred to as a recon tank in lore, and it keeps up with the AC theme of the platoon, while bringing more fire power than a HWT can in 5-6 heavy weapons, and way more durability

[jarms48]

Exterminators are recon units for tank platoons. As they're faster than standard battle tanks. They're not recon units for mechanised units. 

 

A recon unit for a mechanised unit would either be scout sentinels, salamander scouts, or even their own attached infantry/chimeras/taurox's.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Exterminators are recon units for tank platoons. As they're faster than standard battle tanks. They're not recon units for mechanised units.

 

A recon unit for a mechanised unit would either be scout sentinels, salamander scouts, or even their own attached infantry/chimeras/taurox's.

ive never seen it specified as tank platoons recon only.

 

Simply that it is used as a heavy recon asset.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

 

Here it specifies that exterminators are often seconded to their parent regiment's recon company to provide heavier fire power.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

[jarms48]

 

Exterminators are recon units for tank platoons. As they're faster than standard battle tanks. They're not recon units for mechanised units.

 

A recon unit for a mechanised unit would either be scout sentinels, salamander scouts, or even their own attached infantry/chimeras/taurox's.

ive never seen it specified as tank platoons recon only.

 

Simply that it is used as a heavy recon asset.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

 

Here it specifies that exterminators are often seconded to their parent regiment's recon company to provide heavier fire power.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

 

 

The Astra Militarum's countless regiments include all manner of infantry, cavalry - mechanised and mounted alike - artillery, and war engines. Each particular regiment is normally uniform in organisation inside itself, and often seem to specialise in one particular form of war. For instance, light infantry regiments can barely demonstrate any motorised transport and certainly possess no weapons that are not man-portable. In contrast, an artillery regiment contains little else. This ensures that the Imperial Guard are at their strongest when multiple regiments are massed together, and is itself another deliberate structure to ensure that large-scale rebellion by a military commander is difficult to organise.

 

This was done by Roboute Guilliman himself when he split the Imperial Army into both Guard and Navy. The Guard was further split as to cut-off individual regiments from also having too much power. 

 

So an Exterminator being a Leman Russ wouldn't be seen in a reconnaissance regiment. Instead it would provide scouting for their own indigenous elements, which are tanks.   

 

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

 

This link you provided it literally says "Many tank companies will include at least one Exterminator to use in the reconnaissance role, ranging ahead of the company to seek out enemy tanks."

 

 "Exterminators are also frequently attached to their parent regiment's reconnaissance company, providing it with heavier firepower without negatively affecting the unit's speed and mobility."

 

 

In the next line, their parent regiment would be an armoured regiment 99% of the time. It would be seconded to something like the recon companies sentinels. Which have similar speeds. 

Edited May 12, 2021 by jarms48

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

 

Exterminators are recon units for tank platoons. As they're faster than standard battle tanks. They're not recon units for mechanised units.

 

A recon unit for a mechanised unit would either be scout sentinels, salamander scouts, or even their own attached infantry/chimeras/taurox's.

ive never seen it specified as tank platoons recon only.

 

Simply that it is used as a heavy recon asset.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

 

Here it specifies that exterminators are often seconded to their parent regiment's recon company to provide heavier fire power.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

The Astra Militarum's countless regiments include all manner of infantry, cavalry - mechanised and mounted alike - artillery, and war engines. Each particular regiment is normally uniform in organisation inside itself, and often seem to specialise in one particular form of war. For instance, light infantry regiments can barely demonstrate any motorised transport and certainly possess no weapons that are not man-portable. In contrast, an artillery regiment contains little else. This ensures that the Imperial Guard are at their strongest when multiple regiments are massed together, and is itself another deliberate structure to ensure that large-scale rebellion by a military commander is difficult to organise.

 

This was done by Roboute Guilliman himself when he split the Imperial Army into both Guard and Navy. The Guard was further split as to cut-off individual regiments from also having too much power.

 

So an Exterminator being a Leman Russ wouldn't be seen in a reconnaissance regiment. Instead it would provide scouting for their own indigenous elements, which are tanks.

you forgot to bold a very important word...normally.

I'm sure if I can find my old codexes I can find infantry and tanks listed as being in the same regiment.

[sairence]

Eh...nothing wrong with having a Russ attached. The way the Guard fluff works is that you can justify pretty much anything. Maybe your regiment operates against heavily armed opponents where being able to call on heavy armour quickly is necessary. If you think it'll be fun go for it. :)

[duz_]

And Sairence raises the most import point of all

The way the Guard fluff works is that you can justify pretty much anything.

Remember the barracks is here to support other commanders and share insights, not gate keep on how our might organisation must operate.

[sairence]

Just maybe a point in terms of rules:

 

Currently you can only take a Taurox Prime in a Scion detachment, you can't mix it into a regular Guard-detachment. So while the rest fits into a Battalion, that one would be slightly trickier to include.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Just maybe a point in terms of rules:

 

Currently you can only take a Taurox Prime in a Scion detachment, you can't mix it into a regular Guard-detachment. So while the rest fits into a Battalion, that one would be slightly trickier to include.

where does it say in the rules prime is scion only detachments? It says only scions and commissars can use them.

[Warhead01]

 

 

 

Exterminators are recon units for tank platoons. As they're faster than standard battle tanks. They're not recon units for mechanised units.

 

A recon unit for a mechanised unit would either be scout sentinels, salamander scouts, or even their own attached infantry/chimeras/taurox's.

ive never seen it specified as tank platoons recon only.

 

Simply that it is used as a heavy recon asset.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

 

Here it specifies that exterminators are often seconded to their parent regiment's recon company to provide heavier fire power.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

The Astra Militarum's countless regiments include all manner of infantry, cavalry - mechanised and mounted alike - artillery, and war engines. Each particular regiment is normally uniform in organisation inside itself, and often seem to specialise in one particular form of war. For instance, light infantry regiments can barely demonstrate any motorised transport and certainly possess no weapons that are not man-portable. In contrast, an artillery regiment contains little else. This ensures that the Imperial Guard are at their strongest when multiple regiments are massed together, and is itself another deliberate structure to ensure that large-scale rebellion by a military commander is difficult to organise.

 

This was done by Roboute Guilliman himself when he split the Imperial Army into both Guard and Navy. The Guard was further split as to cut-off individual regiments from also having too much power.

 

So an Exterminator being a Leman Russ wouldn't be seen in a reconnaissance regiment. Instead it would provide scouting for their own indigenous elements, which are tanks.

you forgot to bold a very important word...normally.

I'm sure if I can find my old codexes I can find infantry and tanks listed as being in the same regiment.

 

Normally indeed.

We shouldn't exclude the idea of the left over surviving units being cobbled together to form a new regiment after a particularly difficult campaign. 

Even if that wasn't the case a field commander could request of the lower commander necessary elements to work in conjunction to reform a desired task such as recon and and support with orders to probe and report holes in the enemy line and hold there to support breakthrough actions of other elements at the ready. 

The theme is there.  Make it happen! 

 

I'd love to do a list around death riders, troops in transports and artillery. I think in an older edition it would have been a blast. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

 

 

 

Exterminators are recon units for tank platoons. As they're faster than standard battle tanks. They're not recon units for mechanised units.

 

A recon unit for a mechanised unit would either be scout sentinels, salamander scouts, or even their own attached infantry/chimeras/taurox's.

ive never seen it specified as tank platoons recon only.

 

Simply that it is used as a heavy recon asset.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

 

Here it specifies that exterminators are often seconded to their parent regiment's recon company to provide heavier fire power.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Exterminator

The Astra Militarum's countless regiments include all manner of infantry, cavalry - mechanised and mounted alike - artillery, and war engines. Each particular regiment is normally uniform in organisation inside itself, and often seem to specialise in one particular form of war. For instance, light infantry regiments can barely demonstrate any motorised transport and certainly possess no weapons that are not man-portable. In contrast, an artillery regiment contains little else. This ensures that the Imperial Guard are at their strongest when multiple regiments are massed together, and is itself another deliberate structure to ensure that large-scale rebellion by a military commander is difficult to organise.

 

This was done by Roboute Guilliman himself when he split the Imperial Army into both Guard and Navy. The Guard was further split as to cut-off individual regiments from also having too much power.

 

So an Exterminator being a Leman Russ wouldn't be seen in a reconnaissance regiment. Instead it would provide scouting for their own indigenous elements, which are tanks.

you forgot to bold a very important word...normally.

I'm sure if I can find my old codexes I can find infantry and tanks listed as being in the same regiment.

Normally indeed.

We shouldn't exclude the idea of the left over surviving units being cobbled together to form a new regiment after a particularly difficult campaign.

Even if that wasn't the case a field commander could request of the lower commander necessary elements to work in conjunction to reform a desired task such as recon and and support with orders to probe and report holes in the enemy line and hold there to support breakthrough actions of other elements at the ready.

The theme is there. Make it happen!

 

I'd love to do a list around death riders, troops in transports and artillery. I think in an older edition it would have been a blast.

or it's just a unique recon regiment.

[holydiver]

Might be fun to say the Exterminator is seconded from another regiment. Gives you the opportunity to try a different paint scheme.

[Shamansky]

I recall Cain's rag tag motley crew that had even orks' buggies in it. So why not an Exterminator? The Guard is the army you can do almost anything with. Even Conan-style barbarians in fur pants charging enemy trenches while riding on a Basilisk would not be something counter-lore.

[walter h]

Recon means speed

Why not HellHounds? They have speed and lethality.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Recon means speed

Why not HellHounds? They have speed and lethality.

1. Recon does not mean speed. The Ghosts aren't particularly speedy, but they are probably the best regiment in the galaxy for recon.

2. The exterminator, and tauroxes are also speedy.

3. Hell hounds are lame.

Edited May 15, 2021 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[walter h]

 

Recon means speed

Why not HellHounds? They have speed and lethality.

1. Recon does not mean speed. The Ghosts aren't particularly speedy, but they are probably the best regiment in the galaxy for recon.

2. The exterminator, and tauroxes are also speedy.

3. Hell hounds are lame.

You are correct but generally most recon forces are faster,but lighter. Hellhound's lame, is your personal preference. Taurox,wouldn't be bad. Sentinals, would fit the theme

[jarms48]

 

Recon means speed

Why not HellHounds? They have speed and lethality.

1. Recon does not mean speed. The Ghosts aren't particularly speedy, but they are probably the best regiment in the galaxy for recon.

2. The exterminator, and tauroxes are also speedy.

3. Hell hounds are lame.

Exterminators aren’t speedy. Not even close. The technical details given in Imperial Armour are 45km on road and 24km off-road. That’s like 16 - 28 miles. A Chimera can do 70km on-road and 55km off-road. Literally double what the Exterminator can do.

 

Your best options are:

- Chimeras, Chimerax’s, Chimerro’s, or Chimedon’s.

- Taurox’s (Taurox Primes are exclusive to the Militarum Tempestus)

- Hellhounds, Bane Wolves, or Devil Dogs. I’d actually suggest the latter as they’re rarely written about in the lore and they’re the only variant that can actually engage both infantry and armour.

- Salamander Scout.

- Scout Sentinel.

- Centaurs. The universal carrier of 40k. The unsung hero of the Imperial Guard. Capable of doing all manner of support tasks. It’s small size, high speed, and open-topped nature can lead to it actually being a useful recon vehicle.

Edited May 16, 2021 by jarms48

[walter h]

I forgot the DevilDog, and the chimera, and scout Sentinel, even offers movement buffs. ( not near a book).

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

Recon means speed

Why not HellHounds? They have speed and lethality.

1. Recon does not mean speed. The Ghosts aren't particularly speedy, but they are probably the best regiment in the galaxy for recon.

2. The exterminator, and tauroxes are also speedy.

3. Hell hounds are lame.

You are correct but generally most recon forces are faster,but lighter. Hellhound's lame, is your personal preference. Taurox,wouldn't be bad. Sentinals, would fit the theme

and the exterminator is a faster lighter variant of the leman Russ.

Sentinels are boring as well.

 

 

Recon means speed

Why not HellHounds? They have speed and lethality.

1. Recon does not mean speed. The Ghosts aren't particularly speedy, but they are probably the best regiment in the galaxy for recon.

2. The exterminator, and tauroxes are also speedy.

3. Hell hounds are lame.

Exterminators aren’t speedy. Not even close. The technical details given in Imperial Armour are 45km on road and 24km off-road. That’s like 16 - 28 miles. A Chimera can do 70km on-road and 55km off-road. Literally double what the Exterminator can do.

 

Your best options are:

- Chimeras, Chimerax’s, Chimerro’s, or Chimedon’s.

- Taurox’s (Taurox Primes are exclusive to a he Militarum Tempestus)

- Hellhounds, Bane Wolves, or Devil Dogs. I’d actually suggest the latter as they’re rarely written about in the lore and they’re the only variant that can actually engage both infantry and armour.

- Salamander Scout.

- Scout Sentinel.

- Centaurs. The universal carrier of 40k. The unsung hero of the Imperial Guard. Capable of doing all manner of support tasks. It’s small size, high speed, and open-topped nature can lead to it actually being a useful recon vehicle.

best usage wasn't and still a consideration as noted in the original post.

You sound pretty set on the exterminator, so go for it and let us know how it performs. I asked in a different thread about exterminators performance so your usage can give us some more knowledge of its capabilities in 9th edition pre-codex.

the exterminator was a bottom tier choice for LRs in 8th and it's likely to remain that way. New vehicle melee rules might make it a bit more useful, but not much.

[jarms48]

I forgot the DevilDog, and the chimera, and scout Sentinel, even offers movement buffs. ( not near a book).

 

If we're talking in-game terms, the Devil Dog is a pretty bad unit. 

 

The best movement options we have on the table top are:

- Valkyries (or our flyers in general): But they can't help with objectives. 

- DKOK Death Riders: With Move! Move! Move! they can get a 22 - 32 inch move.

- Any Infantry that can take orders: Again, with Move! Move! Move! even our most basic Guardsmen can move 14 - 24 inches. 

 

It's pretty funny that our infantry can outrun our vehicles. They could even push into the enemies deployment zone on turn 1. 

 

I've been mainly talking from a lore point of view. 

[BloodyB]

I prefer to use the exterminator as a scout tank for heavy armour regiments. It could definitely be used by any recon force I the IG, as regiments take losses and fold there resources, or else donate their heavy reconnaissance assets to allow for 'recon in force' for hazardous assignments. In lore, they would likely bear the markings of a different regiment to any taurox or chimera, but working in the same force is more likely than not IMHO.

 

I have a squadron of 3 in my heavy armour regiment, they do pretty decent for what they actually are. They're not fantastic, but okay at dealing with units like sentinels, war walkers and land speeders. I don't use them often, but they have yet to do terribly, and they hold objectives fairly well in a spearhead detachment. I think the main gun needs a buff though, maybe 2 ore shots or an extra point of damage could make them far more useful.

[Etheneus]

Well for me that was in a Swedish mechanised battalion's recon platoon and later served in a brigades recon company have also tried to translate real life to my guard army. It is fun and I try to be accurate but in the case of some models, like sentinels, it's hard.

I see it like this:

Battalion have a recon platoon of: 9 scout sentinels, and three squads of infantry in chimeras. That's it.

Brigades recon company: a platoon of 18 scout sentinels, three platoons of infantry in chimeras (a platoon is three squads and 3 heavy weapons in four chimeras), a support platoon with a Trojan, a Atlas, two mortar teams, two hellhound and lastly two command squads with two chimeras.

I must admit, after reading this tread I'm tempted to add a platoon of three russes and a tank commander to my head canon.

[duz_]

I must admit, after reading this tread I'm tempted to add a platoon of three russes and a tank commander to my head canon.

I think you should :yes: