GW and pricing, there's a problem.

[Dark Shepherd]

The outriders strike me as well we have to release these separately but were planning on doing the multipart much much later, so we will price them at multipart prices now and if you buy a starter set to get them instead then thats great

[Matcap86]

Why is this still a topic?  3-D printer gives better choices, cheaper, and customizable.  This reminds me when air brushes started becoming used in the hobby.  Many back then consider it cheating, and not hobby like.  Now its another tool. 

 

At the end of the day, make a budget for the hobby/life, stick to it, and repeat.   Beside its not like younger people are getting into this hobby anyway.  

I'd very much disagree on this. 3dprint really needs a big investment to get quality printing on par with GW models. I also just want to buy a model not fiddle around for a day with STLs and toxic resin. Comparable to the "you can just make your own nuln oil for a quarter of the price!" Yeah... I'm just gonna get the nuln oil. I do agree with "it's just another tool here to stay". 

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I don't think outriders will get another release. The first born biker kit is very similar and that has been unchanged for a long time.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they redo the chapter upgrade sprues so that WS & DA get some unique options.

[Uprising]

 

Why is this still a topic?  3-D printer gives better choices, cheaper, and customizable.  This reminds me when air brushes started becoming used in the hobby.  Many back then consider it cheating, and not hobby like.  Now its another tool. 

 

At the end of the day, make a budget for the hobby/life, stick to it, and repeat.   Beside its not like younger people are getting into this hobby anyway.  

I'd very much disagree on this. 3dprint really needs a big investment to get quality printing on par with GW models. I also just want to buy a model not fiddle around for a day with STLs and toxic resin. Comparable to the "you can just make your own nuln oil for a quarter of the price!" Yeah... I'm just gonna get the nuln oil. I do agree with "it's just another tool here to stay". 

 

Have you tried it?  My set up was $500 for everything.  You buy a file, plug in the flashdrive and it prints.  You have a bit of cleanup but venting helps a lot.  I printed about 5 GW armies, multiple skirmishing / dead games, and even gave friends an army to play with and keep.  Also great for bits to customize.  Probably spent $1000 total.  Here is my challenge to you.  For $1000 how far can you stretch that army wise from GW?  

Edited February 15, 2022 by Uprising

[Redcomet]

I wonder what the price hikes feel like for the casual hobbyist who just like to paint cool models and buy the lions share of GW product. The competitive edge of nice models is dulling by the day and their pricing is getting intense.

That is basically me.

 

I buy more minis from other companies. Star Wars Legion and Para Bellum Wargames.

 

I will still buy the cool Warhammer minis I like and play the odd game. But I am done with painting armies I think. I also used to buy every codex and army book, but will probably stop that too after Eldar. The 9th edition codexs are pants for the non gamer.

[Noserenda]

 

 

I'd very much disagree on this. 3dprint really needs a big investment to get quality printing on par with GW models. I also just want to buy a model not fiddle around for a day with STLs and toxic resin. Comparable to the "you can just make your own nuln oil for a quarter of the price!" Yeah... I'm just gonna get the nuln oil. I do agree with "it's just another tool here to stay". 

 

Have you tried it?  My set up was $500 for everything.  You buy a file, plug in the flashdrive and it prints.  You have a bit of cleanup but venting helps a lot.  I printed about 5 GW armies, multiple skirmishing / dead games, and even gave friends an army to play with and keep.  Also great for bits to customize.  Probably spent $1000 total.  Here is my challenge to you.  For $1000 how far can you stretch that army wise from GW?  

 

Yeah thats literally years of hobby budget for me, much like airbrushes (Though thats more space than up front cost, also a 3d print problem ofc) its a small cost if you already have a decent budget for these things or a windfall but its a version of Vimes boots for those who might actually need cheaper stuff.

 

Right now 3d printing is good for 3d print enthusiasts but its not a replacement for most hobbyists by any means.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Noserenda

[Matcap86]

 

 

 

I'd very much disagree on this. 3dprint really needs a big investment to get quality printing on par with GW models. I also just want to buy a model not fiddle around for a day with STLs and toxic resin. Comparable to the "you can just make your own nuln oil for a quarter of the price!" Yeah... I'm just gonna get the nuln oil. I do agree with "it's just another tool here to stay". 

 

Have you tried it?  My set up was $500 for everything.  You buy a file, plug in the flashdrive and it prints.  You have a bit of cleanup but venting helps a lot.  I printed about 5 GW armies, multiple skirmishing / dead games, and even gave friends an army to play with and keep.  Also great for bits to customize.  Probably spent $1000 total.  Here is my challenge to you.  For $1000 how far can you stretch that army wise from GW?  

 

 

 

No I haven't tried it as it would consist quite a deep investment and I don't wanna deal with having to set aside a room just to print minis when I can actually buy them. I have bought quite a few bits from 3d printers and about 50% or more were disappointing in quality (Clear print marks, misprints etc) also I REALLY dislike working with the super brittle fragile resin that's usually used. In talking with some buddies who work at a 3d printer manufacturer we came to the conclusion you basically need at least an 8k printer to get to the model quality I'm okay with. So I think I'd lose out more than the 1000 dollar + time investment.

 

As Noserenda said, 3d printing is a legit hobby in and of itself but I have little to no interest in it however if you are enjoying it, good for you. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by matcap86

[Dark Shepherd]

 

I wonder what the price hikes feel like for the casual hobbyist who just like to paint cool models and buy the lions share of GW product. The competitive edge of nice models is dulling by the day and their pricing is getting intense.

That is basically me.

 

I buy more minis from other companies. Star Wars Legion and Para Bellum Wargames.

 

I will still buy the cool Warhammer minis I like and play the odd game. But I am done with painting armies I think. I also used to buy every codex and army book, but will probably stop that too after Eldar. The 9th edition codexs are pants for the non gamer.

Between Army Painter Speedpaints and Kings of War selling Halflings riding dogs Im in a similar boat project wise

[Firedrake Cordova]

Why is this still a topic?  3-D printer gives better choices, cheaper, and customizable.  This reminds me when air brushes started becoming used in the hobby.  Many back then consider it cheating, and not hobby like.  Now its another tool. 

Yes, there are some very nice 3D models available. However, 3D printing has its' own set of issues:

• resin is nowhere near as nice a modelling material as plastic, and can be quite brittle
• polystyrene cement doesn't work on resin (superglue isn't my favourite glue)
• some resins are quite toxic (especially an issue when children and pets are around)
• removing supports, cleaning and curing models is a pain (whether it's worse than than clipping out plastic models and removing mold lines is probably up to individual preference)
• printing a model isn't exactly fast (leaving a printer running unattended/overnight may or may not be an issue depending on individual circumstances)
• I may have been spoiled by prior exposure to industrial printers, but print quality from a friend's Phrozen Sonic was a bit soft in the details
• 3D printers have a footprint and take up space (yes, so do models, but they are generally less "shelvable")
• 3D printers have consumable costs many don't always factor in (screen failure, power draw, IPA etc) and can come as a suprise
• most people I know with 3D printers spend more time tinkering with them than using them

I'm not saying these are insurmountable issues, but 3D printers are simply "not for" some people - if they work for you, great, but that doesn't mean they'll work for everyone.

[Redcomet]

I have no room for 3d printers. And have no desire to have a printer running all night and day to make figures. It isn’t fun for me. Building a kit is fun

[Ahzek451]

I'm sure mileage varies from person to person and application to application and is difficult to narrow down an outright winner of pros vs. cons. 

I get a lot of enjoyment from 3d modeling as much as I do building the models themselves. So the time invested in tinkering and nailing stuff down goes away over time. I mostly use mine to make custom bits and parts for things GW does not make at all, and 99% it's an add-on to an existing kit. Still saves me money as I often do it with weapons so there is no need to buy multiple kits to fish for one gun. I'll also use it to re-make or replicate OOP models GW no longer has available. None of my actions I feel is an act of theft as I see it no different than using modeling putty. 

But I do indeed think their is and isn't a problem. I have my own set of anecdotal experiences of seeing kids shy away from warhammer due to cost. Instant gratification is a contender. Personally, I am both at odds and ok with it. In my younger days I purchased an incredible amount of warhammer month-to-month, being a huge collector and fan of most armies. Now, I rarely have time to dedicate to it and looking at my pile of shame has finally given me enough perspective to ratchet things down significantly. Especially since I finally learned how to paint to a standard that is incredibly time consuming, I prefer now to just focus on 3-4 armies total. So while, in the past I would have normally purchased the new eldar/chaos box set, a combination of my new conservative purchasing habits coupled with the price increase results in a new behavior of shying away. More than one thing can be true.

 

It will be interesting going forward for GW in the next few years as inflation grows.  

[The Neverborn]

Even as a supporter of 3D printing and more than willing to use proxy models, I won't be buying one myself. As already has been pointed out I don't want Toxic chemicals about the place. 

 

 

There's enough people at my local gaming den and online offering services, I put a request of FaceBook and had 2-3 respondents within 10 mins.

 

As to the question, there seems that there's enough people that would never, ever,  use 3D printers regardless the price of GW models that GW can probably just ignore it. Which for those who are willing to 3D print is actually probably a good thing.

[Slave to Darkness]

 parked illegally, 

 

You are literally the worse lol.. 

[Slave to Darkness]

 

Have you tried it?  My set up was $500 for everything.  You buy a file, plug in the flashdrive and it prints.  You have a bit of cleanup but venting helps a lot.  I printed about 5 GW armies, multiple skirmishing / dead games, and even gave friends an army to play with and keep.  Also great for bits to customize.  Probably spent $1000 total.  Here is my challenge to you.  For $1000 how far can you stretch that army wise from GW?  

 

 

After following Doghouse's recent thread and paying attention to what he said about 3D printers I did a little bit of a nosey to see what kind of prices were talking about, I wish I bought a printer instead of Be'Lakor and the Knight I picked up at xmas time, I would have had less buyers remorse and change for a takeaway and some bottles of Hobgoblin for me and the missus. I have enough friends that want stuff printed as well I could make my cash back easy, so guess what Im investing in next month   I see so many not Krieg Death Riders in my immediate future.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Slave to Darkness

[BitsHammer]

Even as a supporter of 3D printing and more than willing to use proxy models, I won't be buying one myself. As already has been pointed out I don't want Toxic chemicals about the place.

That is my stance as well. After reading up the safety datasheet on SLA resin and seeing that it's a lung irritant and the recommended handling is to wear a filtered mask if in the area for short periods or wear a self contained breathing device if in the area for a long time it basically noped me out.

 

I've had people tell me it's "not that bad" and "it only causes rashes" but I don't want rashes inside my lungs. Plus too many chemicals have later been found to cause health issues for me to want to half-ass it in my little two room apartment.

[Uprising]

 

Even as a supporter of 3D printing and more than willing to use proxy models, I won't be buying one myself. As already has been pointed out I don't want Toxic chemicals about the place.

That is my stance as well. After reading up the safety datasheet on SLA resin and seeing that it's a lung irritant and the recommended handling is to wear a filtered mask if in the area for short periods or wear a self contained breathing device if in the area for a long time it basically noped me out.

 

I've had people tell me it's "not that bad" and "it only causes rashes" but I don't want rashes inside my lungs. Plus too many chemicals have later been found to cause health issues for me to want to half-ass it in my little two room apartment.

 

I completely agree with the above.  I am an Industrial hygienist / EHS professional so I have the training and ability to get the gear.  Also I have a little shed out back so venting not an issue.  Like I said to each their own.  

[Halandaar]

 

Even as a supporter of 3D printing and more than willing to use proxy models, I won't be buying one myself. As already has been pointed out I don't want Toxic chemicals about the place.

That is my stance as well. After reading up the safety datasheet on SLA resin and seeing that it's a lung irritant and the recommended handling is to wear a filtered mask if in the area for short periods or wear a self contained breathing device if in the area for a long time it basically noped me out.

 

I've had people tell me it's "not that bad" and "it only causes rashes" but I don't want rashes inside my lungs. Plus too many chemicals have later been found to cause health issues for me to want to half-ass it in my little two room apartment.

 

+1 for me too. Even if I had space to run and operate one (which I don't) there's no way i'm prepared to even chance those kind of materials around my family when even the known side-effects of mishandling are pretty bad. If other people have the inclination and ability to mitigate that risk, no worries, but it ain't for me and it would take a pretty comprehensive change to the materials involved for me to even consider doing it personally.

[phandaal]

Where 3D printing is going to get big is the people making 3rd party minis and upgrades for minis. There are already a ton of them out there and their quality just keeps improving.

 

Seems to be a much lower break even point for 3D printing due to the low barrier to entry.

[Slave to Darkness]

I do see why people are concerned with the health risks, cant be too careful. I used to laugh in the face of danger until I started stripping asbestos for a living and learned a lot of stuff when doing training about other hazardous materials. Think smart people, hobby safe. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

Even as a supporter of 3D printing and more than willing to use proxy models, I won't be buying one myself. As already has been pointed out I don't want Toxic chemicals about the place.

That is my stance as well. After reading up the safety datasheet on SLA resin and seeing that it's a lung irritant and the recommended handling is to wear a filtered mask if in the area for short periods or wear a self contained breathing device if in the area for a long time it basically noped me out.

 

I've had people tell me it's "not that bad" and "it only causes rashes" but I don't want rashes inside my lungs. Plus too many chemicals have later been found to cause health issues for me to want to half-ass it in my little two room apartment.

then just get a filament printer if you don’t like the resin

[BitsHammer]

 

 

Even as a supporter of 3D printing and more than willing to use proxy models, I won't be buying one myself. As already has been pointed out I don't want Toxic chemicals about the place.

That is my stance as well. After reading up the safety datasheet on SLA resin and seeing that it's a lung irritant and the recommended handling is to wear a filtered mask if in the area for short periods or wear a self contained breathing device if in the area for a long time it basically noped me out.

 

I've had people tell me it's "not that bad" and "it only causes rashes" but I don't want rashes inside my lungs. Plus too many chemicals have later been found to cause health issues for me to want to half-ass it in my little two room apartment.

then just get a filament printer if you don’t like the resin

Still requires a lot of cleanup to eliminate step lines and doesn't offer the fine resolution that resin printers do.

 

I'd basically only consider one for terrain printing.

[The Neverborn]

For me it just seems easier to pay someone else to do it.

 

A 3D printer is going to have a cost of X, while I've got to pay someone for their time they have to buy the printer mess about with all the chemicals, learn how to use the software etc etc.

 

And I still get my minis, cheaper than going to GW and I can chose from a handful, probably eventually dozes if not hundred of sculpts :) 

 

Yes it's still breaking the law, and as we know

 

 

 

 parked illegally, 

 

You are literally the worse lol.. 

 

 

[Uprising]

 

Yes it's still breaking the law, and as we know

 

 

 

 parked illegally, 

 

You are literally the worse lol.. 

 

 

Depends on where you live. 

[sibomots]

This thread encouraged me to look at their financial statements.  I think this is the latest one.

 

But in that statement, something else caught my eye:

 

"Our epic Horus Heresy novel series is drawing close to its galaxy changing conclusion. Currently standing at over 7.5 million words, we aren’t aware of a more detailed and in-depth story in any fantasy or science fiction IP."

 

Emphasis mine.

 

Oh really?  Galaxy changing conclusion. 

 

Interesting.

[BitsHammer]

This thread encouraged me to look at their financial statements.  I think this is the latest one.

 

But in that statement, something else caught my eye:

 

"Our epic Horus Heresy novel series is drawing close to its galaxy changing conclusion. Currently standing at over 7.5 million words, we aren’t aware of a more detailed and in-depth story in any fantasy or science fiction IP."

 

Emphasis mine.

 

Oh really?  Galaxy changing conclusion. 

 

Interesting.

Makes sense considering this leak from before: