New Codex Cover & 9th Ed Speculation/Rumours

[BrainFireBob]

Gors as a Tzeentch specific cultist are fine. CSM armies shouldn't need cultists.

 

I don't like Gors. They belong, to me, in Codex: Tzeentch and not Codex: Thousand Sons. Thousand Sons belong in Codex: Thousand Sons. Death Guard having Poxwalkers is different: they're zombies raised by the DG plagues, not troops they drag around.

 

Put me in the psyker automata and psyker dread camp, with weird psyker daemon cannons powered by daemons

 

YMMV

Edited July 27, 2021 by BrainFireBob

[MillionsSons]

I like the tzaangors, only issue with them is that they dont fulfill any role at the moment.

 

They are way to expensive to be a screen (better go with cultist, or summoned brimstone) and not efficient enough to be a CC unit with impact on a battlefield.

[Hathor42]

combat patrol box will either be Ahriman again or the infernal master because the exalted box comes with 3 models.

[sitnam]

combat patrol box will either be Ahriman again or the infernal master because the exalted box comes with 3 models.

They COULD use then Chaos Terminator Lord kit, but I'd be very surprised.

 

Atleast with Ahriman that's an easy conversion if you have an Exalted Sorcerer's kit handy

[Archaeinox]

Infernal Master is getting released later, according to GW's FB commenting. So I suspect he will be in the combat patrol box later.

 

Releasing the Codex alongside the GK Codex AND a boxed set, plus cards and probably dice for both factions, is a lot... They might wait a bit.

[Xenith]

Combat patrol boxes generally seem to be released around the time of the codex. I also don't think they'd put a brand new figurehead model in there. DG combat patrol has Typhus, so I presume we'll keep Ahriman. 

 

Ahriman

Rubrics

Tzaangor Enlightened

ForgeFiend*

=£135/534pts.

 

Those are pretty much exactly what the Death Guard box has in terms of money/savings, and complements models from the Hex box. Also means you have to then buy another box of tzaangors and elighntened if you want to field effective units.

 

*Forgefiend is a Hail Mary/wishlist. Could easily be a Hellbrute.

Edited July 28, 2021 by Xenith

[byrd9999]

I'm still undecided on the new TS/GK box.

 

I want the new Infernal Master and 5 more Scarabs, but I already have 20 Tzaangors and a shaman. I don't think I need any more :( 

[MillionsSons]

I'm still undecided on the new TS/GK box.

 

I want the new Infernal Master and 5 more Scarabs, but I already have 20 Tzaangors and a shaman. I don't think I need any more :(

 

Same... and I already have 15 termies. I guess I’ll try to sell them to other folks.10 more tzaangors might be usefulif they are good for screen... or CC with the codex. But we’ll know only after the codex

[Prot]

I have 10 Scarab Termies built and painted. I think I have another body I bought to make a conversion for a proper Termie Sorc.... Goats... Well I have 30 built, about 10 completely painted, and I think I have even more.

 

So as I write this I'm thinking why the heck am I buying this box?? lol

[WickedJester1013]

Because Fomo and the single model Prot lol.

[Skerr]

From the box I only need the Infernal Master so I am probably taking a trip to Conversion-town when the dex drops. Then buy him, to have 2, when he is available separately.

 

Someone used HH Ahriman from the Prospero box and 3d printed some warpy critters, similar to the screamers in their infernal energies.

Got to admit, it looked badass.

 

With all the ES, other 1k sons bitz and other undivided sculpts available, Infernal Master conversions will be a blast and I can't wait to see what other converters pull off.

Edited July 30, 2021 by Skerr

[Prot]

A lot of people I'm sure will kit bash their own version. As a side note, this is something from the old days of GW I truly miss, and they even promoted it in the old White Dwarfs; conversions. A lot of models just didn't exist back then, and you were encouraged to reach deep into your inner hobbyist, and come up with a model. 

 

I ended up buying two of the Exalted Sorc kits just because I love all the options in it. I could easily make my own. I admit I am going to get the box, and my justification is the background/Crusade info. The second motivator is I will probably paint up the GK side. 

 

There's this part of me that just can't believe TS will get a real power level jump. The other part of me has been experiencing, first hand in the past few months and I'm seeing this brutal trend.... bad psychic phases. I won't harp on the changes to the psychic phase that I've never liked, BUT add in the stuff I've been experiencing and a lot of armies have psychic defense now. SoB is going to be extremely hard to get away with stuff. 

 

In other words, I'm wondering if how are armies are all going to look is: Ahriman (Or some fine tuned sorc with relics galore) + 2 Infernal Masters.  Infernal Master can't be denied, they can frontline the army while your true Sorc is the one you can keep back and take advantage of greater ranged or defensive buff abilities, and just hope you can't be denied. 

[Skerr]

That's the speculative formula I am leaning too also knowing what we do.

 

I expect the IM will be low level psych, perhaps 1 power/ 1 deny as to ensure they don't make other Sorcerer options obsolete. Excited to see what other pacts the IM has but all ready expect these guys to be mid to front line engaging.

Edited July 31, 2021 by Skerr

[Malakithe]

Im skeptical on what 'interactive' could mean. If its like the headache that is necron command thingys and the layers and layers of stuff AdMech have then no thanks

[Umbros]

But neither of those are interactive!

 

[Hathor42]

Yay next week is preorders.

[Skerr]

Wow, next week pre-orders, bring on the leaks! Edited August 1, 2021 by Skerr

[Ahzek451]

This should be the week! Previews and leaks abound! Hopefully a book review by the weekend.

[Xenith]

Their leaks seem to have been massively tightened this year! Normally we'd start seeing leaks of the books 2-3 weeks before, however now we're a week from preorder and zip. 

 

I was discussing this with someone, and being honest, I don't think GW have produced a 'duff' book in 9th so far. Indeed, each one seems more overpowered than the last, which while not ideal for balance, is ok from the perspective of not feeling shafted when your book is released due to some changing design philosophy halfway through the production cycle. 

 

I'm being cautiously optimistic, and dug out some boxes of chaos stuff to start reinforcing my TS...

[BoomWolf]

Hope is the first step after all.

 

Still, the utter lack of any info this close to orders is concerning.

[The Yncarne]

I’ve still got my reality denial shields up that we’ll be overpowered. My shields are running out of power soon either way. 

[Ahzek451]

All speculation of course, but the apparent playtester that was dropping hints about terminators, forgefiends, etc. gave the impression that the book was decent but not overpowered. My guess is we will sit somewhere around death guard power level, but surely not drukhari/admech level. Which is more than fine with me. Last thing we need is an overpowered book that gets nerfed and requires FAQ fixes a few weeks out from release. 

[Marshal Loss]

First preview!

[Ahzek451]

Cult of time took a hit. Ugh, that kinda sucks. I suppose it was because of the future abuse on 3 wound terminators and 2 wound rubrics. But still. 

 

[byrd9999]

Time Flux is kinda what we had in Ritual of the Damned, edit: but nerfed a bit. Casting now on a 6 instead of a 5 and no boost for D3 models if the Psychic Test is 9+

 

Emypric Trespass is a underwhelming. Using a whole spell-slot to potentially re-roll one wound roll of 1? Maybe useful to hedge a bet if you have a Daemon Prince in melee, but hopefully there are better spells to take than this. I'd prefer an area buff, but I'm not a game designer.

 

Attempted Possession is good for being able to do a Mortal Wound to a unit that (a) might not be visible and (b ) isn't the closest enemy unit. The -2 affects every Psychic Test for the enemy unit for 1 round, can be helpful to stop denies and casting.

 

 

Immediate hot-take with limited possession of the facts: they're okay, maybe worse than what we had in 8th, and I hope these aren't the best.

Edited August 2, 2021 by byrd9999