Cheeky FAQ Question Interpretation of "counts as not moving"

[Prot]

So we have the ability to fall back from close combat, and still shoot at -1 Ballistic skill. That much is for certain...

 

In the new FAQ today we have the following new "rare rules" addendum:

 

Rules That Count As Remaining Stationary Some rules allow a unit to count as having Remained Stationary, or count as if it had not moved, even if that unit has moved during its Movement phase. The following rules apply to these type of rules:

 

 

and most importantly:

1. Such rules, if they apply in the Shooting phase, mean that a unit is eligible to shoot even if it has Advanced or Fallen Back this turn.

 

 

So our chapter doctrine: Scions of Guilliman states:

 

Whilst the Tactical Doctrine is active, models with this ability that moved in your Movement phase, but did not Advance or Fall back, can make attacks with ranged weapons in the Shooting phase as if their unit had remained stationary this turn.

 

 

Our Codex Discipline:

 

Add 1 to Leadership..... Units with this tactic can shoot in a turn in which they fell back, but if they do when resolving an attack made by a model in that unit in the shooting phase of that turn, subtract 1 from the to hit roll.

 

 

 

 

So does this mean that while in the Tactical Doctrine we can shoot normally, even if the unit in question fell back that turn?

 

 

Also:

3. Such rules, if they apply in the Shooting phase, mean that models do not suffer the penalty to hit rolls incurred for firing Assault weapons in the same turn that their unit has Advanced.

 

 

Secondly, does this mean we can Advance with Assault Bolters and fire at full Ballistic skill (IE: any unit with Assault weapons in the Tactical Doctrine).

 

Thoughts?

Edited June 2, 2021 by Prot

[Ishagu]

Yeah this is all quite interesting.

 

I imagine it will get clarified further in the supplement update.

[Oxydo]

Whilst the Tactical Doctrine is active, models with this ability that moved in your Movement phase, but did not Advance or Fall back, can make attacks with ranged weapons in the Shooting phase as if their unit had remained stationary this turn.

The stationary FAQ should have essentially no impact on how Scions works since it's not active if the unit Fell Back or Advanced.

It also specifies that it only counts as stationary for the purpose of making ranged attacks, nothing else.

[NKirkham24]

I've just printed the latest FAQ to put in the back of the supplement and have a question. This may not be new but I just wanted some clarity. 

 

The last Q on the FAQ is a follows:

Q: When I use defensive focus strat, if I do not select a unit that is a target of a charge, can it fire overwatch as well as the selected units?

A: No. If a unit is not selected for this strategem, then other rules must be used in order for it to fire overwatch i.e. overwatch strat from core book. 

 

I just want to clarify that it is therefore not obligatory to pay the CP for the unit receiving the charge to overwatch, before then activating defensive focus for a further 2 CP for the other units to then fire? I can just fire the 1-3 supporting units instead, and if I want the unit that is being charged to fire, that's it's own individual cost?

 

This may have been clarified before elsewhere, but for some reason this wording isn't sitting well in my head. 

[Cruor Vault]

I've just printed the latest FAQ to put in the back of the supplement and have a question. This may not be new but I just wanted some clarity. 

 

The last Q on the FAQ is a follows:

Q: When I use defensive focus strat, if I do not select a unit that is a target of a charge, can it fire overwatch as well as the selected units?

A: No. If a unit is not selected for this strategem, then other rules must be used in order for it to fire overwatch i.e. overwatch strat from core book. 

 

I just want to clarify that it is therefore not obligatory to pay the CP for the unit receiving the charge to overwatch, before then activating defensive focus for a further 2 CP for the other units to then fire? I can just fire the 1-3 supporting units instead, and if I want the unit that is being charged to fire, that's it's own individual cost?

 

This may have been clarified before elsewhere, but for some reason this wording isn't sitting well in my head. 

Correct.