Musashi Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Hey,Question :Master of Ambush warlord trait and Infriltrators strat are used before or after we know who start first ?Cheers, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370736-master-of-ambush-and-infiltrators/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 After. And now so does Master of Deceipt it seems. Lots of deployment shenanigans to take advantage of for us sneaky generals! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370736-master-of-ambush-and-infiltrators/#findComment-5712316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 When did this change? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370736-master-of-ambush-and-infiltrators/#findComment-5712539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 After. And now so does Master of Deceipt it seems. Lots of deployment shenanigans to take advantage of for us sneaky generals! Do you have a source on that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370736-master-of-ambush-and-infiltrators/#findComment-5712577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwyrm Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 “After Deployment” rules happen during the Resolve Pre-Battle Abilities step. The example given here is the Lord of Deceit Warlord Trait, where you’d re-deploy up to three <CHAPTER> PHOBOS units during this step" This is taken from Goonhammer review. Resolve Pre-Battle Abilities is step 13, Determine First Turn is step 12. My understanding is that Master of Ambush and Lord of Deceipt would then be resolved after knowing who goes first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370736-master-of-ambush-and-infiltrators/#findComment-5712647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 “After Deployment” rules happen during the Resolve Pre-Battle Abilities step. The example given here is the Lord of Deceit Warlord Trait, where you’d re-deploy up to three <CHAPTER> PHOBOS units during this step" This is taken from Goonhammer review. Resolve Pre-Battle Abilities is step 13, Determine First Turn is step 12. My understanding is that Master of Ambush and Lord of Deceipt would then be resolved after knowing who goes first. The problem with this argument is that step 13 excludes abilities that allow units to be deployed in reserve. Lord of Deceit is such an ability. Needs an FAQ :( I can't imagine GW would FAQ this ability restricting its use to step 11 since that would make it instant trash tier and never be taken by anyone ever. If it could be used in step 13 then it would be reasonable and useful in certain lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370736-master-of-ambush-and-infiltrators/#findComment-5712727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Lord of Deceit gets BIG changes, as you can now redeploy anywhere instead of having to pull back into your deployment zone, or even put units into Strategic Reserves for free, but you have to do it pre-roll off – which ends up being a big nerf to its effectiveness, as you no longer get to redeploy after knowing who’s going first That’s from their 9th edition review of the Space Marine Codex. I haven’t found it changed yet … lord knows I want to … I think it’s actually not bad if you build a plan around it. I found it especially useful in Crusade games at the Incursion level. I’ve decided to give it a test if I get any games on the 2k level for a while so I’ll talk about it in my Warhawk battle reports this summer. I won’t get the same use out of it as I did with Eliminators in my list since I’m running Eradicators now but it might be more useful to have something that helps the mission than it does +1D on the Phobos Captain’s rifle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370736-master-of-ambush-and-infiltrators/#findComment-5712907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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