Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 So ironclad is T8, contemptor has 9W and a 5++, and venerable has a 6+++. Just wondering which of these everyone prefers for durability? XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If you play Iron Hands the relic contemptor is amazing. You can make him a character so he benefits from look out sir and give him a warlord trait - I go with target protocols. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 So ironclad is T8, contemptor has 9W and a 5++, and venerable has a 6+++. Just wondering which of these everyone prefers for durability? • I enjoy an Ironclad as most opponents are terrified of it and it takes all the attention away from my other vehicles. • I also take a Contemptor in the same list as it's super fast and that takes folk by surprise and puts pressure on them. • I don't take the Venerable much but I do rate them as a fire support platform. So in summary, I take several Dreadnoughts in my lists alongside other vehicles. I like the pressure units on the frontline with Ironclads and Contemptors, so that's where I go. If you play Iron Hands the relic contemptor is amazing. You can make him a character so he benefits from look out sir and give him a warlord trait - I go with target protocols. Yeah a Venerable Contemptor essentially. Great stuff. BLACK BLŒ FLY and Iron Father Ferrum 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) A Contemptor with a Multimelta is a solid choice. It is fast, punchy and a bit more durable than a regular Dread whilst packing 9th's favourite anti-tank weapon. I realise you said Firstborn but my Redemptor has been MVP in several games in 9th so far. Edited June 22, 2021 by Karhedron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGibs Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 I'm with the stock multi-melta contemptor. It's a great all rounder: it's fast, it's durable with inbuild 5++ and it hits real hard with Str 7 (14) to wound most big things on 2+. Most of the boxdreads I feel are a little too expensive by comparison. 20ish points for +1 wound, +2" movement, +1 str, and a 5++? Totally worth it. Karhedron and XeonDragon 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Relic contemptor: twin lascannon chainfist w. built-in plasma blaster missile rack XeonDragon and War of the Eagle 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War of the Eagle Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) I run both Ironclad and comtemptors. My Ironclad is my distraction carnifex while my contemptor or 2 are fire support with volkite or Multimelta, fist, and missles. Edited June 22, 2021 by War of the Eagle XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I own two Contemptors that are painted for my little Custodes force and I'm sorely tempted to repaint them into my Marine colors. ...and also repurpose the Custodes as Noise Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Heresy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Ironclad. Nice big chunk of T8 that is an absolute wrecking ball if you can deliver it. BLACK BLΠFLY, XeonDragon and Captain Idaho 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5713948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Ironclad. Nice big chunk of T8 that is an absolute wrecking ball if you can deliver it. Strap one to a Storm Raven Gunship and watch your opponent sweat. Is it the most competitive thing in the meta? Possibly not. Would it be fun to play? Very probably. ;) XeonDragon, FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants, BLACK BLΠFLY and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5714023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Ironclad. Nice big chunk of T8 that is an absolute wrecking ball if you can deliver it. Strap one to a Storm Raven Gunship and watch your opponent sweat. Is it the most competitive thing in the meta? Possibly not. Would it be fun to play? Very probably. ;) I've tried that; I had a fun little list of a Storm Raven carrying a veteran squad, Captain, and a Dread, and a Storm Talon in support. Extremely fluffy, highly prone to just evaporating turn one. Karhedron and Inquisitor_Lensoven 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5714381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 Ironclad. Nice big chunk of T8 that is an absolute wrecking ball if you can deliver it. Strap one to a Storm Raven Gunship and watch your opponent sweat. Is it the most competitive thing in the meta? Possibly not. Would it be fun to play? Very probably. ;)I've tried that; I had a fun little list of a Storm Raven carrying a veteran squad, Captain, and a Dread, and a Storm Talon in support. Extremely fluffy, highly prone to just evaporating turn one.as long as it delivers the payload, and gets to knock some wounds off of a unit, is that so bad? No one, at least I'm not taking the SR hoping to use it as a flying MBT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5714388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Ironclad. Nice big chunk of T8 that is an absolute wrecking ball if you can deliver it. Strap one to a Storm Raven Gunship and watch your opponent sweat. Is it the most competitive thing in the meta? Possibly not. Would it be fun to play? Very probably. ;)I've tried that; I had a fun little list of a Storm Raven carrying a veteran squad, Captain, and a Dread, and a Storm Talon in support. Extremely fluffy, highly prone to just evaporating turn one.as long as it delivers the payload, and gets to knock some wounds off of a unit, is that so bad? No one, at least I'm not taking the SR hoping to use it as a flying MBT. Two flyers, a dread, and 11 infantry was the whole list though; flyers are really hard to block LoS to so the SR frequently died in my deployment zone. As half of a 2000 point list it might not have been so bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5714432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 You can Reserve the SR which guarantees at least one turn of shooting but then the cargo is not deploying until T3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5714437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knoffles Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 I had my first game of 9th on Friday (I’m also a novice player so take that into account) and took 6 dreads: 2*ironclads with chainfist/hurricane/melta/hunter killers, 1 Contemptor with assault cannon, 1 venerable with TLC/ML, standard dread with assault cannon and fist and redemptor with onslaughts. Played as Imp fists vs a Salamanders list loaded (as you’d expect) with flamers and melta. Though I took some earlier losses (1 Ironclad/Contemptor) the sheer number took my opponent by surprise and the remaining ironclad was my MVP single handedly taking out his plasma redemptor and relic shield tough as nails captain. The chainfist is brutal in combat, especially vs vehicles. I’m fast growing back in love with the Ironclad Iron Father Ferrum 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5714440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADragonuFear Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 The main issue of ironclad bois is how to get them to the front. I personally prefer all melee for the rerolls but on a 2000pt board you probably need to SR them or be white scars. Venerable can be fun just stomping around, but really the main concern is just never take the plain dreadnought when you could pay a couple points more for a venerable one. XeonDragon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5714453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Nonsense. Just Advance them. You may not get to fight until turn 2, but in the interim they're pulling fire from other targets...or they'rebeing ignored which means they'llget to fight. XeonDragon and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5714704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Augustus Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 As Iron Hands I often play two regular dreads. Assault Cannon, Fist, Heavy Flamer. Push those Boiz right up the middle with a Techmarine or Master of The Forge. Draws fire away from everything else for a bit or butchers whatever. Cheap as chips. Iron Father Ferrum and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/370778-which-firstborn-dread/#findComment-5715687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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