Vanguard agression WT

[angrom]

The warlord trait mention that after deployment a core unit can make a 6" move.

By the terms is this happening before or after the player who go first roll?

[Cryminysakes]

Deployment is done before rolling for first turn, so this extra move would happen before the first turn roll

[angrom]

So foretelling of locus "after both player have deployed their armies" happen after go first roll.

But canguard aggression wt "after deployment" happen before go first roll

[RedemptionNL]

"After deployment" and "after both players have deployed their armies" is the same and is after players roll for the first turn.

 

For reference, check the Core Rulebook FAQ, second page, top right. You can see these abilities are to be resolved in the "Resolve Pre-Battle Abilities", which is after players rolled for first turn:

 

 

Edit: nope, I was wrong, updated post.

Edited August 18, 2021 by RedemptionNL

[casb1965]

Are you wrong though?

The wording in the brackets refers only to Stratagems (nice use of commas GW) so a Warlord trait ability would be used in phase 13.

[RedemptionNL]

Are you wrong though?

The wording in the brackets refers only to Stratagems (nice use of commas GW) so a Warlord trait ability would be used in phase 13.

Sorry, for clarity: I first thought it was before players rolled. I edited above post to reflect the correct answer after re-reading the relevant rules.

 

Not sure what you mean that it only refers to Stratagems? It appears no matter the source (Ability, Warlord Trait or Stratagem), if it acts "after deployment", it's in phase 13.

[casb1965]

 

Are you wrong though?

The wording in the brackets refers only to Stratagems (nice use of commas GW) so a Warlord trait ability would be used in phase 13.

Sorry, for clarity: I first thought it was before players rolled. I edited above post to reflect the correct answer after re-reading the relevant rules.

 

Not sure what you mean that it only refers to Stratagems? It appears no matter the source (Ability, Warlord Trait or Stratagem), if it acts "after deployment", it's in phase 13.

The way GW have worded it any stratagem that upgrades or moves a unit isn't done in phase 13.

[RedemptionNL]

Can you give an example? I'm not sure what specific rule you're referring to.

[Cryminysakes]

In all the step by step game set-ups Im seeing in the 9th core book its Deploy armies is a set...  then immediately after that step is the Determine First Player step...

 

So IMO you HAVE to resolve the WL trait extra move AFTER the step for deployment but BEFORE rolling for first turn.  Not sure how you would justify waiting 

 

Not sure if Im missing something but the only 2 games setup lists I found in the book were Open Hostility (pg 273 steps 7. and 8.) and Eternal War (pg283 steps 11. and 12).  

Edited August 18, 2021 by Cryminysakes

[RedemptionNL]

In all the step by step game set-ups Im seeing in the 9th core book its Deploy armies is a set...  then immediately after that step is the Determine First Player step...

 

So IMO you HAVE to resolve the WL trait extra move AFTER the step for deployment but BEFORE rolling for first turn.  Not sure how you would justify waiting 

 

Not sure if Im missing something but the only 2 games setup lists I found in the book were Open Hostility (pg 273 steps 7. and 8.) and Eternal War (pg283 steps 11. and 12).

You're missing the FAQ I mentioned previously:

For reference, check the Core Rulebook FAQ, second page, top right. You can see these abilities are to be resolved in the "Resolve Pre-Battle Abilities", which is after players rolled for first turn

[Cryminysakes]

 

In all the step by step game set-ups Im seeing in the 9th core book its Deploy armies is a set...  then immediately after that step is the Determine First Player step...

 

So IMO you HAVE to resolve the WL trait extra move AFTER the step for deployment but BEFORE rolling for first turn.  Not sure how you would justify waiting 

 

Not sure if Im missing something but the only 2 games setup lists I found in the book were Open Hostility (pg 273 steps 7. and 8.) and Eternal War (pg283 steps 11. and 12).

You're missing the FAQ I mentioned previously:

For reference, check the Core Rulebook FAQ, second page, top right. You can see these abilities are to be resolved in the "Resolve Pre-Battle Abilities", which is after players rolled for first turn

 

Yep - I see it now. TY!  so yes you get your 6"move AFTER first player rolls.  Nice